1 00:00:06,049 --> 00:00:09,183 - I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN I REALIZED 2 00:00:09,226 --> 00:00:11,620 THAT MY FATHER WAS A PORNOGRAPHER. 3 00:00:11,663 --> 00:00:15,363 I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT WORD "PORNOGRAPHER" 4 00:00:15,406 --> 00:00:17,452 IS A WORD YOU COULD APPLY TO YOUR OWN FATHER. 5 00:00:17,495 --> 00:00:19,932 MY DAD WAS THE ART DIRECTOR OF HUSTLERMAGAZINE, 6 00:00:19,976 --> 00:00:22,848 BUT I JUST THOUGHT MY FATHER WENT TO WORK 7 00:00:22,892 --> 00:00:24,502 LIKE EVERYONE ELSE'S PARENTS WENT TO WORK. 8 00:00:24,546 --> 00:00:26,852 HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT'S A DOG ERECTION? 9 00:00:26,896 --> 00:00:28,550 I MEAN, I-I--YOU KNOW, 10 00:00:28,593 --> 00:00:31,944 I HAVEN'T HAD A DOG IN ABOUT 25 YEARS. 11 00:00:31,988 --> 00:00:33,294 - WELL... - YEAH, I GUESS THAT IS. 12 00:00:37,124 --> 00:00:38,908 - IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO A CAT ERECTION, 13 00:00:38,951 --> 00:00:40,431 WHICH I'M FAMILIAR WITH. 14 00:00:40,475 --> 00:00:42,825 - MIKE, I THOUGHT WE HAD THIS TALK ALREADY. 15 00:00:42,868 --> 00:00:44,740 - I DON'T REMEMBER THAT TALK. WE NEVER HAD THAT TALK. 16 00:00:44,783 --> 00:00:46,263 YOU KNOW WHAT TALK I HAD? 17 00:00:46,307 --> 00:00:47,786 I HAD AN INTERNAL DIALOGUE 18 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:49,788 WHEN I SNUCK THESE OUT OF YOUR CLOSET. 19 00:01:34,006 --> 00:01:37,271 - THERE'S SORT OF THIS MT. RUSHMORE OF PORNOGRAPHY. 20 00:01:37,314 --> 00:01:39,186 HUGH HEFNER STARTED IN THE 1950s. 21 00:01:45,366 --> 00:01:47,846 BOB GUCCIONE AND PENTHOUSE CAME ALONG, 22 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:49,674 WHICH WAS REALLY JUST A KNOCKOFF ON PLAYBOY-- 23 00:01:49,718 --> 00:01:50,675 JUST LARCENY. 24 00:02:00,424 --> 00:02:02,557 AL GOLDSTEIN STARTED SCREWMAGAZINE IN 1968. 25 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,167 IT WAS REALLY VERY POLITICAL, 26 00:02:04,211 --> 00:02:06,213 IT WAS RIGHT AT THE PEAK OF VIETNAM INSANITY. 27 00:02:13,785 --> 00:02:15,178 LARRY FLYNT WORKED IN A STRIP CLUB 28 00:02:15,222 --> 00:02:16,179 AND WAS FUCKING ALL THE GIRLS. 29 00:02:24,231 --> 00:02:27,277 - AL GOLDSTEIN AND LARRY FLYNT ALWAYS HAD THIS LITTLE... 30 00:02:27,321 --> 00:02:29,845 LOVE/HATE, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION THING. 31 00:02:29,888 --> 00:02:33,065 - LARRY CAME TO MEET ME, 32 00:02:33,109 --> 00:02:36,808 AND UNLIKE MOST PEOPLE, I SAID, "I'D LIKE TO MEET EVERYBODY." 33 00:02:36,852 --> 00:02:39,681 - HE HAD A GRANDIOSITY, AND HE HAD A STRENGTH 34 00:02:39,724 --> 00:02:42,466 THAT NOTHING SCARED HIM. 35 00:02:51,432 --> 00:02:54,870 - WE WERE TRYING TO SELL MEMBERSHIPS TO THE CLUBS, 36 00:02:54,913 --> 00:02:58,047 AND WHEN YOU'D BUY A MEMBERSHIP, YOU'D ALSO GET 37 00:02:58,090 --> 00:02:59,918 A COPY OF THAT MAGAZINE. 38 00:02:59,962 --> 00:03:02,225 - LARRY FLYNT HAD THE LITTLE HUSTLERMAGAZINE 39 00:03:02,269 --> 00:03:04,488 THAT WAS A FLYER 40 00:03:04,532 --> 00:03:05,924 WITH, LIKE, FIVE PAGES, 41 00:03:05,968 --> 00:03:07,622 AND HE USED TO PUT HIS GIRLS THERE. 42 00:03:07,665 --> 00:03:10,712 AND I GO, "GEE, WHAT A PIECE-OF-SHIT THING THAT IS." 43 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:36,216 - 1969, I GOT BACK FROM VIETNAM. 44 00:03:36,259 --> 00:03:39,131 THAT'S WHEN WE OPENED A CLUB IN CINCINNATI. 45 00:03:39,175 --> 00:03:42,874 BACK THEN, CLUBS WERE NOT LIKE CLUBS ARE TODAY. 46 00:03:42,918 --> 00:03:45,747 THE GIRLS WERE DANCING IN BIKINIS 47 00:03:45,790 --> 00:03:47,836 AND HUSTLING DRINKS. 48 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:50,317 - IT WAS JUST A BAR WITH LITTLE, TINY, 49 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,189 ROUND STAGES FOR HIS GIRLS. 50 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:55,496 AND THE GIRLS WERE VERY YOUNG. 51 00:03:55,539 --> 00:03:59,108 WE'RE TALKING 18 AND 17 AND LITTLE HILLBILLY GIRLS. 52 00:03:59,151 --> 00:04:02,372 - BEFORE ALL THIS SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE 53 00:04:02,416 --> 00:04:06,246 CAME ABOUT IN THE '80s... 54 00:04:06,289 --> 00:04:08,770 I MEAN, IT WAS JUST ONE BIG ORGY. 55 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:11,729 - IT WAS WHEN THERE WAS SO MUCH PUSSY THERE. 56 00:04:11,773 --> 00:04:15,994 AND IT WAS ACCESSIBLE. IT WAS AVAILABLE. 57 00:04:16,038 --> 00:04:19,433 - GRAVY TRAINS AND GANG BANGS, 58 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:21,086 AND IT WAS FUN. 59 00:04:21,130 --> 00:04:24,220 - ALTHEA WAS HIRED TO DANCE 60 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:27,441 IN COLUMBUS, OHIO. 61 00:04:27,484 --> 00:04:29,573 AND THEN LARRY MET HER. 62 00:04:29,617 --> 00:04:32,663 - I STARTED TALKING TO HIM, EVEN THOUGH I HATED HIM. 63 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:35,579 YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT, "THIS GUY-- HE MUST BE HOMOSEXUAL." 64 00:04:35,623 --> 00:04:37,277 HE HAD HIS FINGERNAILS POLISHED. 65 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,279 AND AT THE TIME I WAS VERY HIPPY-ISH, 66 00:04:39,322 --> 00:04:42,151 AND I THOUGHT HE WAS A CAPITALIST PIG, 67 00:04:42,194 --> 00:04:44,066 AND I WAS VERY AGAINST HIM. 68 00:04:44,109 --> 00:04:47,548 BUT HE CAME OFF--HE WAS JUST-- HE WAS A VERY NICE GUY. 69 00:04:47,591 --> 00:04:50,681 - THEY KIND OF HIT IT OFF 70 00:04:50,725 --> 00:04:53,902 AND BECAME CLOSE FRIENDS AND EVENTUALLY GOT MARRIED. 71 00:05:05,522 --> 00:05:07,829 - WE WERE TRYING TO FRANCHISE THE CLUBS 72 00:05:07,872 --> 00:05:10,397 AND DO A MAGAZINE LIKE HEFNER DID. 73 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:11,963 THAT WAS OUR DREAM. 74 00:05:12,007 --> 00:05:14,879 WE WERE INTRODUCED TO RON FENTON, 75 00:05:14,923 --> 00:05:17,926 WHO'D PUBLISHED GALLERYMAGAZINE. 76 00:05:17,969 --> 00:05:22,278 HE HAD OVERSPENT, OVER-ADVANCED IN THE MAGAZINE BUSINESS. 77 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:25,760 WE GAVE HIM $10,000, AND FOR THAT $10,000, 78 00:05:25,803 --> 00:05:30,678 WE WERE PROVIDED WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION TO... 79 00:05:30,721 --> 00:05:35,030 TO SHOW US A DIRECTION TO GO FOR A NATIONAL DISTRIBUTOR. 80 00:05:35,073 --> 00:05:39,164 THAT'S HOW THE FOUR-COLOR HUSTLERORIGINATED. 81 00:05:48,435 --> 00:05:49,914 - AL, YOU'RE MY HERO. 82 00:05:49,958 --> 00:05:51,916 AND LET'S GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT FROM THE RECORD. 83 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,353 - ON 60 MINUTES, YOU DON'T SAY THAT. 84 00:05:53,396 --> 00:05:55,485 - LOOK, GREAT--THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ASK ME. 85 00:05:55,529 --> 00:05:58,314 YOU KNOW, I'M ON YOUR SHOW NOW, SO I'M TELLING YOU. 86 00:05:58,358 --> 00:06:01,056 I THINK THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE PUBLICATION IN THE WORLD 87 00:06:01,099 --> 00:06:03,928 THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN HUSTLER,AND THAT'S SCREW. 88 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,952 - I THINK THAT AL GOLDSTEIN'S PUBLICATION 89 00:06:27,996 --> 00:06:31,086 HAD AN ENORMOUS INFLUENCE ON LARRY. 90 00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:33,349 - LARRY WASN'T THAT SMART. HE WAS ILLITERATE. 91 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:55,806 I DON'T OPEN ANY DOORS. I'M NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY. 92 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:59,027 I'M GEOGRAPHICALLY A NEW YORK PIMP. 93 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:14,042 - WE WOULD RATHER HAVE TEN TRUCK DRIVERS READING OUR PUBLICATION 94 00:07:14,085 --> 00:07:16,610 THAN ONE COLLEGE PROFESSOR. 95 00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:18,176 - I USED TO SAY THAT. 96 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:20,178 IN FACT, KNOWING YOU, YOU PROBABLY FOUND THAT I SAID IT 97 00:07:20,222 --> 00:07:22,050 AND STOLE IT, BUT-- 98 00:07:49,077 --> 00:07:51,514 - EVERYTHING HE HAD WAS DERIVATIVE, BUT IT WAS OKAY. 99 00:07:51,558 --> 00:07:54,038 - ME, AL, AND LARRY FLYNT WERE ONCE HAVING 100 00:07:54,082 --> 00:07:56,214 A DIM SUM BREAKFAST IN WESTWOOD. 101 00:07:56,258 --> 00:07:58,303 I CALLED IT THE SLIME PACK-- 102 00:07:58,347 --> 00:08:00,262 NOT THE RAT PACK, THE SLIME PACK. 103 00:08:00,305 --> 00:08:02,786 AL GOES, "YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF MY IDEAS, YOU KNOW." 104 00:08:02,830 --> 00:08:04,527 "UH, THAT'S TRUE." 105 00:08:04,571 --> 00:08:07,530 OH, MY GOD, HE FINALLY ADMITTED IT. 106 00:08:07,574 --> 00:08:09,532 AL GOES, "PRAISE JESUS, HALLELUJAH." 107 00:08:09,576 --> 00:08:11,273 HE SAYS, "LARRY FLYNT JUST ADMITTED 108 00:08:11,316 --> 00:08:12,970 HE TOOK SOME OF MY IDEAS," YOU KNOW. 109 00:08:13,014 --> 00:08:14,363 AL WAS JUST DANCING ON THE RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, 110 00:08:14,406 --> 00:08:15,930 HE SAYS, "HE FINALLY ADMITTED IT. 111 00:08:15,973 --> 00:08:17,671 NOT ON CAMERA, BUT HE ADMITTED IT." 112 00:08:17,714 --> 00:08:19,368 - LARRY FLYNT UNDERSTOOD THAT HE HAD TO DISTINGUISH 113 00:08:19,411 --> 00:08:21,501 HIS PRODUCT FROM PLAYBOYAND PENTHOUSE. 114 00:08:21,544 --> 00:08:26,288 THE FIRST EDITION OF HUSTLER, HE WRITES, VERY CLEVERLY, 115 00:08:26,331 --> 00:08:30,292 THAT ANY MAN CAN BE A PLAYBOY AND HAVE A PENTHOUSE, 116 00:08:30,335 --> 00:08:32,599 BUT IT TAKES A REAL MAN TO BE A HUSTLER. 117 00:08:32,642 --> 00:08:35,340 - THE GREAT THING ABOUT LARRY IS THAT 118 00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:37,560 HE DOESN'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF HIM. 119 00:08:37,604 --> 00:08:39,214 THAT'S WHY I THINK I LOVE HIM. 120 00:08:39,257 --> 00:08:41,651 HE'S GOT A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR, 121 00:08:41,695 --> 00:08:43,827 AND HE DOESN'T TAKE HIMSELF SERIOUSLY, 122 00:08:43,871 --> 00:08:46,134 WHEREAS HEF WAS ALWAYS 123 00:08:46,177 --> 00:08:49,833 TRYING TO CONTROL HIS IMAGE, 124 00:08:49,877 --> 00:08:53,141 YOU KNOW, EVERY NOTCH ON HIS BELT, 125 00:08:53,184 --> 00:08:54,621 AND HE WAS--HE WAS THIS, AND HE WAS THAT, 126 00:08:54,664 --> 00:08:55,970 AND EVERYTHING WAS PROGRAMMED. 127 00:08:56,013 --> 00:08:57,406 - HEF WAS REALLY A SQUARE... 128 00:08:57,449 --> 00:08:58,929 YOU KNOW. 129 00:08:58,973 --> 00:09:00,148 FOR ALL HIS TALK ABOUT BEING SUCH A SWINGER, 130 00:09:00,191 --> 00:09:02,280 I MEAN, HE'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, 23 SKIDOO, 131 00:09:02,324 --> 00:09:03,586 HE'S STILL LIVING IN THE BIG-BAND ERA. 132 00:09:32,876 --> 00:09:34,965 HE PRETENDS THAT PLAYBOY IS THIS LIFESTYLE MAGAZINE 133 00:09:35,009 --> 00:09:38,708 THAT'S REALLY KIND OF NICE AND PART OF AMERICANA, YOU KNOW. 134 00:09:38,752 --> 00:09:40,362 IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE SATURDAY EVENING POST 135 00:09:40,405 --> 00:09:42,364 OF, YOU KNOW, MEN'S MAGAZINES. 136 00:09:42,407 --> 00:09:44,366 AND NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE FUCKING TRUTH-- 137 00:09:44,409 --> 00:09:46,542 THAT IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT SEX AND SELLING FLESH. 138 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:49,284 - I THINK IT'S LONG BEEN KIND OF VIEWED 139 00:09:49,327 --> 00:09:52,156 BY A LOT OF PEOPLE WITHIN THE INDUSTRY 140 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,376 THAT PLAYBOY WAS THE GIRL NEXT DOOR, 141 00:09:54,419 --> 00:09:58,162 PENTHOUSEWAS THE RICH BITCH WHO WAS JUST NAUGHTY, 142 00:09:58,206 --> 00:10:01,296 AND HUSTLERWAS THE HORNY, YOUNG GIRLS 143 00:10:01,339 --> 00:10:04,081 WHO WERE ALWAYS ON THE BEACH WITH THE MOST FABULOUS TANS 144 00:10:04,125 --> 00:10:06,388 DOING THE RAUNCHIEST THINGS. 145 00:10:06,431 --> 00:10:11,001 - THE GIRLS WERE PORTRAYED AS THE ATTAINABLE GIRL. 146 00:10:11,045 --> 00:10:14,265 IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE GIRLS IN PLAYBOY, 147 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:16,180 WELL, GUYS WOULD SAY, 148 00:10:16,224 --> 00:10:18,095 "I DON'T HAVE A SHOT AT FUCKING THAT GIRL." 149 00:10:18,139 --> 00:10:20,445 BUT THEY COULD LOOK AT HUSTLERAND SAY, 150 00:10:20,489 --> 00:10:22,012 "I GOT A SHOT WITH THIS GIRL." 151 00:10:22,056 --> 00:10:26,060 - PLAYBOYWAS KNOWN FOR THE NO VAGINA. 152 00:10:26,103 --> 00:10:29,367 PLAYBOYWAS ALWAYS BIG, SEXY BOOBIES, NICE ASSES. 153 00:10:29,411 --> 00:10:31,108 THEY ALWAYS TOLD THE GIRLS TO GROW HAIR 154 00:10:31,152 --> 00:10:32,196 SO YOU DIDN'T SEE THE PUSSY, ACTUALLY. 155 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,894 YOU DON'T SEE THE LIPS. 156 00:10:33,937 --> 00:10:35,635 SO THE CAMERA SHOOTS, THEY CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. 157 00:10:35,678 --> 00:10:38,463 YOU NEVER SEE A SPREAD-LEG SHOT IN PLAYBOY,EVER. 158 00:10:38,507 --> 00:10:40,335 THEY CALL THAT THE "OBSCENE VIEW." 159 00:10:40,378 --> 00:10:42,337 PENTHOUSE,AT THAT TIME, WHEN HUSTLERGOT STARTED, 160 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:44,339 DIDN'T EITHER. 161 00:10:44,382 --> 00:10:46,950 PENTHOUSETRIED TO BE A POOR MAN'S PLAYBOY,SIMILAR. 162 00:10:46,994 --> 00:10:48,343 MODELS DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE SUCH BIG OF BOOBIES, 163 00:10:48,386 --> 00:10:49,997 BUT THEY WERE VERY SLEEK. 164 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,389 THEY LOOKED MORE LIKE FASHION MODELS. 165 00:10:51,433 --> 00:10:54,610 WHAT HUSTLERDID WAS THE VAGINA. 166 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:55,785 IT WAS FOR THOSE WHO THINK PINK. 167 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:10,670 - I DON'T THINK WE HAD SUCH PINK PUSSIES, REALLY. 168 00:11:13,107 --> 00:11:14,978 - HUSTLERWAS JUST GROSS. 169 00:11:15,022 --> 00:11:19,069 AND IT WAS JUST, LIKE, VIOLENT AND FRIGHTENING 170 00:11:19,113 --> 00:11:21,115 AND FASCINATING 171 00:11:21,158 --> 00:11:23,770 AND DISGUSTING AND EXHILARATING 172 00:11:23,813 --> 00:11:26,816 AND JUST SO DIRTY, JUST SO WRONG. 173 00:11:26,860 --> 00:11:29,776 AND I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE HUSTLERMAGAZINE. 174 00:11:29,819 --> 00:11:32,517 BUT I STILL BOUGHT IT AND READ IT. 175 00:11:32,561 --> 00:11:34,476 - WHO WAS THE FIRST PLAYBOYCENTERFOLD? 176 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:36,783 MARILYN MONROE, ON THE COVER OF THE FIRST PLAYBOY. 177 00:11:36,826 --> 00:11:38,741 CELEBRITY NUDITY STARTED 178 00:11:38,785 --> 00:11:41,701 THE MEN'S MAGAZINE REVOLUTION OF THE '50s. 179 00:11:41,744 --> 00:11:44,442 - MARILYN JUST SAID, "I'M NOT ASHAMED. 180 00:11:44,486 --> 00:11:47,445 IT'S SOMETHING I DID FOR THE MONEY. SO WHAT?" 181 00:11:47,489 --> 00:11:49,447 AND PEOPLE TOOK HER TONE AND WENT WITH IT, 182 00:11:49,491 --> 00:11:51,406 AND SAID, "YEAH, WHY SHOULD SHE BE ASHAMED? 183 00:11:51,449 --> 00:11:55,279 SHE LOOKS AMAZING, AND SHE'S A SEX STAR ANYWAY." 184 00:11:55,323 --> 00:11:57,151 IT MADE HER EVEN BIGGER. 185 00:11:57,194 --> 00:12:01,024 - THE THING ABOUT CELEBRITY NUDITY IS THAT WITH CELEBRITIES, 186 00:12:01,068 --> 00:12:02,286 YOU KIND OF KNOW THEM. 187 00:12:02,330 --> 00:12:03,940 YOU FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW THEM. 188 00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:07,074 SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE SEEING YOUR NEIGHBOR NUDE. 189 00:12:07,117 --> 00:12:09,380 IT'S KIND OF LIKE SEEING SOMEBODY AT THE OFFICE NAKED. 190 00:12:09,424 --> 00:12:12,949 - AL GOLDSTEIN GOT WORD THAT-- 191 00:12:12,993 --> 00:12:16,083 YOU KNOW, THAT JACKIE KENNEDY PHOTOS WERE AVAILABLE 192 00:12:16,126 --> 00:12:18,825 FROM THIS PHOTOGRAPHER IN ITALY 193 00:12:18,868 --> 00:12:21,044 BY THE NAME OF SETTIMIO GARRITANO. 194 00:12:21,088 --> 00:12:23,917 - I DID IT FIRST. 195 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,050 - SCREW'SLIMITED DISTRIBUTION WAS NEW YORK CITY. 196 00:12:27,094 --> 00:12:30,880 - I BEAT HUSTLERNINE MONTHS. 197 00:12:30,924 --> 00:12:32,577 I BOUGHT THE MAGAZINE 198 00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:34,231 AT A NEWS STAND IN MANHATTAN FOR $20. 199 00:12:34,275 --> 00:12:36,103 IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS. 200 00:12:36,146 --> 00:12:38,714 SOLD A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND COPIES OF SCREW. 201 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:42,544 SHE WAS PUSSY. I WAS HAPPY TO HAVE HER THERE. 202 00:12:42,587 --> 00:12:43,806 - BUT THAT WAS, LIKE, SHITTY NEWSPRINT BLACK AND WHITE, 203 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:45,460 AND IT'S SCREW. 204 00:12:45,503 --> 00:12:47,636 - AND IF YOU HAD THE PICTURES, HOW COME JIMMY FLYNT 205 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,856 HAD TO GO TO ITALY TO GET THEM FOR HUSTLER? 206 00:12:49,899 --> 00:12:52,162 - HE'S STUPID. HE'S A JEW BOY. 207 00:12:52,206 --> 00:12:54,904 I PAID $20. HOW SMART CAN YOU BE? 208 00:12:54,948 --> 00:12:57,602 JIMMY WAS, YOU KNOW, A REDNECK PIECE OF SHIT. 209 00:12:57,646 --> 00:12:59,474 I LIKE JIMMY. 210 00:12:59,517 --> 00:13:02,999 - WE WENT OVER AND BOUGHT THE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM SETTIMIO 211 00:13:03,043 --> 00:13:05,567 AND RAN THOSE IN THE MAGAZINE. 212 00:13:05,610 --> 00:13:09,005 AND WE MADE A MILLION DOLLARS. 213 00:13:09,049 --> 00:13:11,399 OUR CIRCULATION WENT FROM-- 214 00:13:11,442 --> 00:13:15,925 WENT FROM, YOU KNOW, 100,000 TO A MILLION AND A HALF. 215 00:13:15,969 --> 00:13:19,494 - HERE IS LITERALLY THE MOST FAMOUS WOMAN IN THE WORLD, 216 00:13:19,537 --> 00:13:22,453 THE MOST ADMIRED WOMAN IN THE WORLD, COMPLETELY NUDE-- 217 00:13:22,497 --> 00:13:25,152 UNIMAGINABLE THAT YOU WERE EVER GONNA SEE JACKIE O. NUDE. 218 00:13:25,195 --> 00:13:26,501 IT JUST CHANGED EVERYTHING. 219 00:13:43,605 --> 00:13:45,737 - THE CHALLENGES BEGAN AS EFFORTS CONTINUE 220 00:13:45,781 --> 00:13:49,654 TO GET A JURY TO HEAR THE CASE AGAINST HUSTLERMAGAZINE, 221 00:13:49,698 --> 00:13:52,875 ITS PUBLISHER LARRY FLYNT, HIS WIFE, ALTHEA, 222 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:55,356 AND TWO OTHER HUSTLEROFFICIALS. 223 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:56,923 THEY'RE CHARGED WITH ENGAGING IN ORGANIZED CRIME 224 00:13:56,966 --> 00:13:58,707 AND PANDERING OBSCENITY. 225 00:13:58,750 --> 00:14:00,491 THE DEFENSE CLAIMED TODAY THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT 226 00:14:00,535 --> 00:14:02,711 IS A PRINCIPAL ISSUE IN THE CASE. 227 00:14:02,754 --> 00:14:05,018 PROSECUTOR SIMON LEIS CHARGED 228 00:14:05,061 --> 00:14:07,455 THAT OBSCENITY IS THE ISSUE, NOT CENSORSHIP. 229 00:14:07,498 --> 00:14:10,414 - BACK IN THE EARLY '70s, PEOPLE CAME THERE AND SAID, 230 00:14:10,458 --> 00:14:12,112 "WELL, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS MAGAZINE." 231 00:14:12,155 --> 00:14:16,594 HUSTLERMAGAZINE WAS FAR WORSE THAN PLAYBOY 232 00:14:16,638 --> 00:14:18,683 AND ALL THE OTHER GIRLY MAGAZINES. 233 00:14:18,727 --> 00:14:20,642 IT WAS GROSS. 234 00:14:20,685 --> 00:14:22,687 - WHEN WE PUBLISHED THE FIRST ISSUE OF HUSTLER 235 00:14:22,731 --> 00:14:25,299 AND IT BEGAN TO GET SOME ATTENTION, 236 00:14:25,342 --> 00:14:28,911 THERE WAS A BIG RESENTMENT COMING FROM SIMON LEIS. 237 00:14:28,955 --> 00:14:31,044 BUT THERE WAS A BUILDUP TO THAT POINT 238 00:14:31,087 --> 00:14:35,135 BECAUSE HE KNEW HOW WE OPERATED IN THE CLUB BUSINESS. 239 00:14:35,178 --> 00:14:39,922 HE WANTED A CLEAN CINCINNATI-- BASEBALL AND APPLE PIE. 240 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:44,057 - IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CASES THAT GOT NATIONAL ATTENTION. 241 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:48,670 AND THE FACT THAT LARRY HAD BEEN SUCH A PROMOTER 242 00:14:48,713 --> 00:14:51,455 THAT, BY THE TIME THE TRIAL STARTED, 243 00:14:51,499 --> 00:14:53,805 WHY, THE WHOLE COUNTRY WAS FOCUSED ON IT. 244 00:14:53,849 --> 00:14:57,070 - I WOULD GIVE HERALD MOST OF THE CREDIT 245 00:14:57,113 --> 00:15:00,508 FOR THE SOUND BITES THAT LARRY HAS USED OVER THE YEARS. 246 00:15:00,551 --> 00:15:04,512 HE WAS A BIG PART OF PUTTING LARRY ON A PEDESTAL 247 00:15:04,555 --> 00:15:07,428 AS THE DEFENDER OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT. 248 00:15:07,471 --> 00:15:12,389 - WELL, WE DON'T SUPPRESS CIGARETTES AND LIQUOR 249 00:15:12,433 --> 00:15:15,001 BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE HARMFUL TO CHILDREN. 250 00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:17,264 WE JUST RESTRICT THE SALE. 251 00:15:17,307 --> 00:15:21,616 IF WE TRY TO LIMIT ADULT READING HABITS 252 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:22,965 TO WHAT'S FIT FOR CHILDREN, 253 00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:24,706 WE'LL HAVE NOTHING BUT ALICE IN WONDERLAND 254 00:15:24,749 --> 00:15:26,186 AND LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD. 255 00:15:26,229 --> 00:15:27,665 - I USED TO SAY, "LARRY, YOU KNOW, 256 00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:31,278 ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU OUGHT TO STRESS 257 00:15:31,321 --> 00:15:33,193 IS THAT FREEDOM IS INDIVISIBLE. 258 00:15:33,236 --> 00:15:37,762 WE CAN'T SAVE IT TO ONE PERSON AND DENY IT TO ANOTHER. 259 00:15:37,806 --> 00:15:39,460 IT'S GOT TO EXIST FOR ALL OF US, 260 00:15:39,503 --> 00:15:42,376 OR THE REAL RISK IS IT MAY NOT EXIST FOR ANY OF US. 261 00:15:42,419 --> 00:15:45,074 AND HE WAS VERY QUICK TO PICK UP ON THESE THINGS. 262 00:15:45,118 --> 00:15:47,729 - HERALD FAHRINGER AND I USED TO BE PARTNERS. 263 00:15:47,772 --> 00:15:51,341 AT THE TIME, I WAS HIS YOUNG PROTEGE, IF YOU WILL, 264 00:15:51,385 --> 00:15:53,691 AND WE HAD JUST FINISHED 265 00:15:53,735 --> 00:15:58,000 SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDING AL GOLDSTEIN IN FEDERAL COURT. 266 00:15:58,044 --> 00:15:59,741 AND WE GOT A CALL ONE DAY. 267 00:15:59,784 --> 00:16:01,177 SECRETARY SAID, 268 00:16:01,221 --> 00:16:02,657 "WELL, THERE'S A MAN ON THE PHONE NAMED LARRY FLYNT." 269 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,659 - HE SAID TO ME, 270 00:16:04,702 --> 00:16:07,662 "IF YOU WERE TO DEFEND MY MAGAZINE, 271 00:16:07,705 --> 00:16:10,665 WHY WOULD YOU DEFEND IT?" 272 00:16:10,708 --> 00:16:12,797 NOW, I THINK MANY LAWYERS MIGHT SAY, 273 00:16:12,841 --> 00:16:14,625 "WELL, I'M BEING RETAINED. 274 00:16:14,669 --> 00:16:17,019 THAT'S HOW I MAKE MY LIV--" 275 00:16:17,063 --> 00:16:19,848 BUT I QUITE NATURALLY SAID, 276 00:16:19,891 --> 00:16:23,591 "BECAUSE I BELIEVE VERY DEEPLY IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT 277 00:16:23,634 --> 00:16:27,769 "AND THAT IN A FREE SOCIETY, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE 278 00:16:27,812 --> 00:16:29,945 TO CHOOSE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO READ." 279 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:32,513 THE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T MAKE THAT CHOICE. 280 00:16:32,556 --> 00:16:35,690 THE MARKETPLACE SHOULD BE THE DOMINATING FACTOR. 281 00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:38,606 THAT'S A KEY ELEMENT OF A DEMOCRACY. 282 00:16:38,649 --> 00:16:40,608 - ORGANIZED CRIME STATUTE BACK IN THOSE DAYS, 283 00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:44,307 YOU HAD TO HAVE FIVE PEOPLE WHO CONSPIRED TO VIOLATE THE LAW. 284 00:16:44,351 --> 00:16:47,049 AND IF YOU HAD FIVE PEOPLE IN A CONSPIRACY, 285 00:16:47,093 --> 00:16:49,921 THAT WAS A RICO STATUTE-- THAT'S HOW WE PROSECUTED HIM. 286 00:16:49,965 --> 00:16:53,534 - FIVE KIDS STEAL APPLES FROM AN ORCHARD-- 287 00:16:53,577 --> 00:16:55,492 THAT'S ORGANIZED CRIME. 288 00:16:59,888 --> 00:17:04,632 - THIS IS ACTION NEWS FROM WTBN TV, COLUMBUS. 289 00:17:08,244 --> 00:17:09,724 - GOOD EVENING. 290 00:17:09,767 --> 00:17:11,813 HUSTLERMAGAZINE PUBLISHER LARRY FLYNT 291 00:17:11,856 --> 00:17:14,772 HAS BEEN FOUND GUILTY IN THAT CINCINNATI TRIAL 292 00:17:14,816 --> 00:17:16,861 AND HAULED OFF TO JAIL IN HANDCUFFS. 293 00:17:16,905 --> 00:17:18,863 - CONVICTED OF PANDERING OBSCENITY. 294 00:17:18,907 --> 00:17:20,909 - FLYNT IS APPEALING HIS SENTENCE 295 00:17:20,952 --> 00:17:24,652 OF UP TO 25 YEARS AND HIS $11,000 FINE. 296 00:17:24,695 --> 00:17:26,871 - THIS COULD TURN OUT TO BE A BIG CASE, 297 00:17:26,915 --> 00:17:28,743 POSSIBLY LEADING TO MORE COURT RULINGS 298 00:17:28,786 --> 00:17:31,137 ON WHAT IS OBSCENE AND WHAT IS NOT. 299 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:33,487 - I DIDN'T LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAN. 300 00:17:33,530 --> 00:17:35,880 I STILL DON'T LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAN. 301 00:17:35,924 --> 00:17:39,667 AND HAD I BEEN THE JUDGE... 302 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:41,756 I'M NOT SURE I'D GIVE HIM 25 YEARS, 303 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:43,845 BUT I'D GIVE HIM A HEFTY SENTENCE. 304 00:17:43,888 --> 00:17:47,501 AND WHEN HE GAVE HIM 25 YEARS, I KIND OF SMILED. 305 00:17:47,544 --> 00:17:50,678 - HOW COULD ANYBODY WHO JUST PUBLISHES A MAGAZINE 306 00:17:50,721 --> 00:17:52,636 BE SENTENCED TO 25 YEARS IN PRISON? 307 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,031 EVERYBODY WAS ACQUITTED EXCEPT LARRY. 308 00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:57,641 AND THEN ON APPEAL, 309 00:17:57,685 --> 00:18:00,992 WE EVENTUALLY CONVINCED THE APPELLATE COURT 310 00:18:01,036 --> 00:18:03,169 TO VACATE THE CHARGES 311 00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:06,041 AND DECLARE THE STATUTE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. 312 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:10,001 - THE JURY WAS OUT, AND I'D SEE THE BAILIFF COME IN. 313 00:18:10,045 --> 00:18:11,742 I SAID, "YOUR HONOR, 314 00:18:11,786 --> 00:18:15,050 "I KNOW THESE NOTES ARE COMING OUT FROM THE JURY. 315 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,705 "AND YOU'RE READING 'EM AND PUTTING THEM IN YOUR POCKET. 316 00:18:17,748 --> 00:18:19,750 "I'VE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING. 317 00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:22,362 I THINK WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT." 318 00:18:22,405 --> 00:18:24,929 WELL, OF COURSE, WHAT THE JURY WAS SENDING IN 319 00:18:24,973 --> 00:18:26,409 WAS THAT THEY WERE SAYING. "WE'RE DEADLOCKED." 320 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:28,542 YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, 321 00:18:28,585 --> 00:18:30,370 BECAUSE WHEN A JURY IS DEADLOCKED, 322 00:18:30,413 --> 00:18:33,373 THE LAWYER HAS A RIGHT TO SAY, "I THINK THEY SHOULD CONTINUE," 323 00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,940 OR HE CAN SAY, "I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MISTRIAL." 324 00:18:35,984 --> 00:18:38,987 YOU KNOW, SO WE IMMEDIATELY MOVED FOR MISTRIAL. 325 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:42,947 THAT WAS THE BASIS OF THE HIGHER COURT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, 326 00:18:42,991 --> 00:18:45,036 REVERSING HIS CONVICTION. 327 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,170 - AS FAR AS GETTING THE ATTENTION 328 00:18:48,214 --> 00:18:50,955 THAT GENERATED NEWSSTAND SALES, 329 00:18:50,999 --> 00:18:53,958 SIMON LEIS PUT US ON THE MAP. 330 00:18:54,002 --> 00:18:56,570 - I'M SURE EVERY ONE OF YOU ARE JUST AS PROUD 331 00:18:56,613 --> 00:18:59,399 OF BEING AN AMERICAN AS I AM. 332 00:18:59,442 --> 00:19:03,751 WE'RE THE STRONGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD TODAY... 333 00:19:03,794 --> 00:19:06,754 ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE THE FREEST COUNTRY 334 00:19:06,797 --> 00:19:09,017 IN THE WORLD TODAY! 335 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:13,239 AND I DON'T WANT ANY AMERICAN ANYWHERE 336 00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:16,067 TO EVER FORGET THAT THAT STRENGTH 337 00:19:16,111 --> 00:19:19,810 LIES IN OUR PRINCIPLES TO BE FREE. 338 00:19:30,386 --> 00:19:33,433 - WHEN THEY HIRED YOU, THEY WERE STILL COMING OFF 339 00:19:33,476 --> 00:19:35,826 OF THE SUCCESS OF THE JACKIE O. ISSUE. 340 00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:38,438 WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT TAKING THIS JOB? 341 00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:42,920 - WHEN I GOT THIS OFFER FROM MY AGENT TO DO HUSTLER, 342 00:19:42,964 --> 00:19:44,922 TO ME, IT WAS LIKE GOING TO WORK AT PLAYBOY. 343 00:19:44,966 --> 00:19:46,750 I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. 344 00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:49,927 I GOT THERE, AND WHAT I SAW 345 00:19:49,971 --> 00:19:53,627 WAS A FREE-FOR-ALL OF POLITICS. 346 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:57,021 EVERYBODY WAS BLAMING EVERYBODY FOR BEING LATE, 347 00:19:57,065 --> 00:19:59,023 EVERYBODY WAS YELLING AT EVERYBODY. 348 00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:01,809 THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO A LOT OF SHORTCUTS 349 00:20:01,852 --> 00:20:02,940 AND HOW TO DO THIS STUFF. 350 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:12,907 - YOUR DAD WAS BASICALLY THE POWER OF HIS OWN PRESENCE. 351 00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:15,431 AND ALSO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAD-- 352 00:20:15,475 --> 00:20:18,347 I THINK HE HAD A HUGE INFLUENCE AND HUGE INPUT 353 00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:23,134 ON THE TONE AND JUST THE CREATIVE STANDARD 354 00:20:23,178 --> 00:20:25,006 COMING THROUGH THESE MAGAZINES. 355 00:20:25,049 --> 00:20:28,705 - I WAS THE OUTSIDER, 'CAUSE I WAS COMING FROM NEW YORK, 356 00:20:28,749 --> 00:20:31,055 AND I HAD TO STEP ON A LOT OF FEET, 357 00:20:31,099 --> 00:20:33,014 AND IT CAUSED A LOT OF CONFLICT. 358 00:20:33,057 --> 00:20:35,886 THERE WAS ALWAYS A BATTLE IN MAGAZINES. 359 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:38,019 I DON'T CARE WHAT MAGAZINE IT WAS. 360 00:20:38,062 --> 00:20:39,716 IT WAS EDITORIAL VERSUS ART. 361 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,892 THE EDITORIAL WOULD TAKE THEIR TIME, 362 00:20:41,936 --> 00:20:43,894 AND THE ART WOULD PAY FOR IT. 363 00:20:43,938 --> 00:20:46,027 THE ART DEPARTMENT WAS WORKING TILL 1:00 IN THE MORNING 364 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:48,072 FOR ONE MAGAZINE. 365 00:20:48,116 --> 00:20:49,726 THAT WAS CRAZY. 366 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:51,902 - YOU HAVE THESE REALLY GREAT ISSUES LIKE THIS 367 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:55,166 THAT HAVE SO-- LIKE, 200-PAGE ISSUES, 368 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:56,255 WHICH, AT THE TIME, WERE UNPRECEDENTED, 369 00:20:56,298 --> 00:20:58,082 WITH NO ADVERTISING. 370 00:20:58,126 --> 00:21:02,086 - HUSTLER'SBUSINESS MODEL WAS ALWAYS NEWSSTAND SALES, 371 00:21:02,130 --> 00:21:03,436 NOT ADVERTISING. 372 00:21:03,479 --> 00:21:06,047 - THEY NEVER HAD MAINSTREAM ADVERTISING. 373 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:08,092 LARRY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN COKE AND LIQUOR ADS. 374 00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:10,878 IT WAS JUST THE PORN PEOPLE THAT WERE ADVERTISING. 375 00:21:10,921 --> 00:21:15,056 - MAINSTREAM MADISON AVENUE WOULDN'T ADVERTISE 376 00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:18,538 IN AN OUTRAGEOUS MAGAZINE LIKE HUSTLER. 377 00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:23,151 WELL, THEN LARRY'S DECISION WAS TO ATTACK THOSE ADVERTISERS. 378 00:21:23,194 --> 00:21:27,590 "TOYOTA, FROM THE FINE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU PEARL HARBOR." 379 00:21:27,634 --> 00:21:32,334 OR SHOWING A CAMEL CIGARETTE AD 380 00:21:32,378 --> 00:21:34,728 AND JOHN WAYNE LAID BACK SMOKING A CAMEL. 381 00:21:34,771 --> 00:21:36,643 HE DIED OF LUNG CANCER. 382 00:21:36,686 --> 00:21:38,514 AND ONCE YOU RAN ONE OF THOSE, FORGET ABOUT IT. 383 00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:40,516 - LOOK AT LARRY FLYNT, WHO STARTED RUNNING 384 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,170 AN ANTITOBACCO CAMPAIGN ON HIS DIME 385 00:21:42,213 --> 00:21:43,780 AND CHASED ALL THAT SHIT OUT OF HIS MAGAZINE. 386 00:21:43,824 --> 00:21:45,216 I MEAN, THAT'S CRAZY, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT--THAT'S-- 387 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:47,044 YOU KNOW, SOME WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS, 388 00:21:47,088 --> 00:21:48,437 BUT IT'S RESPONSIBLE. 389 00:21:48,481 --> 00:21:50,787 THIS, LIKE, AWFUL PORNOGRAPHER, YOU KNOW, 390 00:21:50,831 --> 00:21:54,269 WHO'S DOING ANTITOBACCO STUFF, AND HE'S DOING PRO-POLICE ADS. 391 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:58,012 - I USED TO KEEP A COPY OF THAT AD 392 00:21:58,055 --> 00:22:01,145 "SOME STILL CALL HIM PIG" IN MY CAR. 393 00:22:01,189 --> 00:22:02,233 I GOT OUT OF A TICKET WITH IT. 394 00:22:23,646 --> 00:22:26,127 - THAT WAS THE BEST PHOTOGRAPHY OUT THERE. 395 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:27,607 THEY WERE ALL VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DID. 396 00:22:27,650 --> 00:22:28,956 LARRY ONLY PICKED THE BEST. 397 00:22:28,999 --> 00:22:31,001 LARRY SAID, "FUCK AIRBRUSHING." 398 00:22:31,045 --> 00:22:34,309 WE'RE GONNA SHOW EVERY PUBIC HAIR, EVERY BEAD OF SWEAT. 399 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:35,919 THE LAYOUTS ARE BRILLIANT. 400 00:22:35,963 --> 00:22:40,446 - EACH PHOTOGRAPHER HAD HIS OWN PERSONALITY AND EGO 401 00:22:40,489 --> 00:22:42,491 THAT WAS THE SIZE OF THE UNIVERSE. 402 00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,667 - AFTER A WHILE, LIKE, YOU CAN SPOT-- 403 00:22:44,711 --> 00:22:46,843 YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE A NAME ON A PACKET 404 00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:48,236 TO KNOW WHICH PHOTOGRAPHER SHOT WHAT. 405 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:49,846 THERE'S CERTAIN SHOTS THEY ALL DO, 406 00:22:49,890 --> 00:22:51,457 CERTAIN SETUPS THEY DO OVER AND OVER, 407 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:53,328 AND THEY BECOME SIGNATURE SHOTS. 408 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:57,506 - WE SAW SOME OF THE WORK THAT JAMES BAES WAS DOING. 409 00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:59,160 HE DID SOME WORK FOR PENTHOUSE. 410 00:22:59,203 --> 00:23:02,337 AND THEN MATTI KLATT, HE CAME THROUGH JAMES. 411 00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:05,166 AND THEN JAMES BROUGHT CLIVE MCLEAN, 412 00:23:05,209 --> 00:23:09,649 AND THEN CLIVE BROUGHT SUZE RANDALL ABOARD. 413 00:23:09,692 --> 00:23:11,651 - I MET LARRY AT HEFNER'S. 414 00:23:11,694 --> 00:23:12,913 I WAS WORKING FOR HEFNER. 415 00:23:12,956 --> 00:23:14,654 HE WAS KIND OF BLACKMAILING HEFNER. 416 00:23:14,697 --> 00:23:17,047 HE HAD SOME PICTURES OF HEF WITH ANOTHER GIRL, 417 00:23:17,091 --> 00:23:18,571 NOT HIS PRESENT GIRLFRIEND. 418 00:23:18,614 --> 00:23:21,008 I'D JUST WRITTEN A KISS-AND-TELL BOOK 419 00:23:21,051 --> 00:23:23,184 ABOUT MY EXPERIENCES OF PLAYBOY. 420 00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:25,404 MET FLYNT, AND HE SAID, "OH, SUZE, WHY DON'T YOU 421 00:23:25,447 --> 00:23:29,146 SHOOT YOURSELF FOR HUSTLER AND I'LL PUBLICIZE THE BOOK?" 422 00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:32,019 LARRY PUT ON THE COVER OF HUSTLER, 423 00:23:32,062 --> 00:23:34,717 "PLAYBOYPHOTOGRAPHER SHOWS PINK." 424 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,634 AND HEFNER THREW ME OUT. 425 00:23:38,678 --> 00:23:40,680 THAT'S HOW I JUMPED INTO BED WITH LARRY. 426 00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:42,638 - YOU'RE NOT POINTING YOUR TOES THERE. 427 00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:45,206 - I KNOW. THAT'S SHOCKING. - IT IS SHOCKING. 428 00:23:45,249 --> 00:23:46,599 - THAT'S SHOCKING. - IT'S TERRIBLE. 429 00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:47,861 - THIS IS A TERRIBLE POSE. 430 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:50,254 BUT, ANYWAY, IT'S KIND OF GOOD. 431 00:23:50,298 --> 00:23:52,169 I CERTAINLY DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT NOW. 432 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,087 SO THAT'S ONE ADVANTAGE IN SHOOTING YOURSELF FOR HUSTLER. 433 00:23:57,131 --> 00:24:00,700 AND PEOPLE REMEMBER YOU THE WAY YOU WERE, 434 00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:03,267 NOT THE OLD GOAT THAT YOU ARE NOW. 435 00:24:03,311 --> 00:24:05,356 - I USED TO GO AND SHOOT FOR SUZE 436 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,404 AND HER DAUGHTER, WHO IS HOLLY RANDALL, 437 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,101 WHO IS, LIKE, A FAMOUS PHOTOGRAPHER. 438 00:24:11,145 --> 00:24:13,060 I WAS JUST THIS LITTLE KID 439 00:24:13,103 --> 00:24:15,410 WHO WAS KIND OF RUNNING AROUND ON THE SET, YOU KNOW, 440 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,064 WHILE WE WERE DOING MAKEUP, AND SHE'D BE OUT THERE 441 00:24:17,107 --> 00:24:20,154 EATING HER PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY SANDWICHES. 442 00:24:20,197 --> 00:24:21,503 AND THEN HER MOM WOULD BE LIKE, 443 00:24:21,547 --> 00:24:22,765 "OKAY, NOW," RUN 'EM OFF THE SET. 444 00:24:22,809 --> 00:24:24,680 - "DARLING, GO ON UPSTAIRS. 445 00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:27,509 I'M JUST SHOOTING THIS NAKED GUY IN THE GARDEN FOR PLAYGIRL." 446 00:24:27,553 --> 00:24:30,164 "ALL RIGHT, MUM." 447 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:32,122 - SO, YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS BECAUSE I THINK THAT 448 00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:35,169 THERE WASN'T ANY, LIKE, SECRECY SURROUNDING IT 449 00:24:35,212 --> 00:24:37,301 OR, LIKE, SENSE OF SHAME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 450 00:24:37,345 --> 00:24:38,868 IT WASN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL. 451 00:24:38,912 --> 00:24:41,480 - HER AND CLIVE MCLEAN ALWAYS HAD KIND OF A-- 452 00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:43,307 KIND OF A LOVE/HATE RELATIONSHIP. 453 00:24:43,351 --> 00:24:46,093 YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD SORT OF ALWAYS FEED OFF OF EACH OTHER. 454 00:24:46,136 --> 00:24:48,312 - MY MOM AND CLIVE ACTUALLY WERE COMPETITORS, 455 00:24:48,356 --> 00:24:50,010 AND I THINK THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE EACH OTHER 456 00:24:50,053 --> 00:24:51,402 FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 457 00:24:51,446 --> 00:24:56,146 - CLIVE AND I MET IN THE '90s. I WAS DOING MAKEUP. 458 00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:59,193 AND WE, UM, GOT ALONG, LIKE, REALLY WELL. 459 00:24:59,236 --> 00:25:02,849 WHEN I MET HIM, HE WAS KIND OF PRETTY WILD AND CRAZY. 460 00:25:02,892 --> 00:25:06,200 WE WERE MARRIED FOR 12 YEARS. 461 00:25:06,243 --> 00:25:08,811 CLIVE WAS THE SENIOR PHOTOGRAPHER 462 00:25:08,855 --> 00:25:10,596 FOR LARRY FOR MANY YEARS. 463 00:25:10,639 --> 00:25:14,034 HE LOVED LARRY, ABSOLUTELY LOVED LARRY. 464 00:25:14,077 --> 00:25:16,427 AND HE WAS REALLY LOYAL TO HIM. 465 00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:20,301 HE REALLY KNEW WHAT HE WANTED. HE REALLY THOUGHT IT OUT. 466 00:25:20,344 --> 00:25:23,217 HE BROUGHT THE MAGAZINE TO LIFE. 467 00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:25,436 - WE ACTUALLY HAD HIM OVER HERE FOR NEW YEAR'S. 468 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,264 AND THAT WAS WHEN I THINK HE FIRST STARTED 469 00:25:27,308 --> 00:25:28,962 TO NOTICE SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH HIM 470 00:25:29,005 --> 00:25:30,529 BEFORE HE ACTUALLY WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER, 471 00:25:30,572 --> 00:25:32,095 'CAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO SMOKE A CIGAR, 472 00:25:32,139 --> 00:25:33,575 AND I THINK HIS HAND WAS TREMBLING, 473 00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:35,229 AND HE WAS KIND OF, LIKE, YOU KNOW, 474 00:25:35,272 --> 00:25:38,319 "I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HOLDING ON TO THIS." 475 00:25:38,362 --> 00:25:40,582 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE FOUND OUT HE HAD CANCER. 476 00:25:40,626 --> 00:25:43,193 AND THEN WHEN HE PASSED, IT WAS JUST SO SAD. 477 00:25:46,283 --> 00:25:48,111 - WE WERE REALLY STRUGGLING 478 00:25:48,155 --> 00:25:51,114 HOW TO LIGHT THE NUDES AND LIGHT THE PUSSY. 479 00:25:51,158 --> 00:25:52,681 I MEAN, IT'S VERY HIDDEN IN THERE. 480 00:25:52,725 --> 00:25:54,378 IT'S VERY HARD. 481 00:25:54,422 --> 00:25:55,858 SHIT. 482 00:25:55,902 --> 00:25:57,599 - SHE ALWAYS HAD THAT SHOT WITH THE MIRROR 483 00:25:57,643 --> 00:25:59,601 WHERE SHE WOULD JUST THROW, LIKE, ALL THIS LIGHT 484 00:25:59,645 --> 00:26:01,255 AT THE VAGINA. 485 00:26:01,298 --> 00:26:05,172 - IT WAS REALLY EARLY DAYS ON THE PINK STUFF. 486 00:26:05,215 --> 00:26:08,871 WE EVEN USED TO GLUE THE LABIA BACK. 487 00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,220 - REALLY? - YEAH. 488 00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:12,179 - WITH WHAT? - OH, CHEWING GUM? 489 00:26:12,222 --> 00:26:14,355 NO. 490 00:26:14,398 --> 00:26:16,009 - KRAZY GLUE? - KRAZY GLUE. 491 00:26:16,052 --> 00:26:19,578 - WE USED TO COAT THE GIRL WITH VASELINE 492 00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:22,624 AND SPRINKLE WATER ON IT LIKE SHE'S SWEATING. 493 00:26:22,668 --> 00:26:26,759 WE WOULD TAKE THE VAGINA AND PUT VASELINE THERE, 494 00:26:26,802 --> 00:26:30,937 AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS-- LIKE SHE'D JUST HAD AN ORGASM. 495 00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:33,417 - WHAT I FOUND BORING ABOUT MOST OF THE MAGAZINE LAYOUTS 496 00:26:33,461 --> 00:26:36,333 IS THE GIRLS ALL HAD THE SAME EXPRESSION... 497 00:26:41,425 --> 00:26:44,254 BLAND, EYES CLOSED, SUPPOSED ECSTASY. 498 00:26:44,298 --> 00:26:47,040 AND THE PHOTOGRAPHER SAID-- I HAD MY EYES CLOSED. 499 00:26:47,083 --> 00:26:48,432 HE SAID, "NOW LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ANGRY." 500 00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:50,217 WHEN I SAW THE PHOTOGRAPHS, 501 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:52,393 IT WAS LIKE, "OH, EXPRESSION, MOVEMENT." 502 00:26:52,436 --> 00:26:53,916 IT'S INTENSE ENERGY. 503 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,266 - MY SECOND TIME BEING IN A LAYOUT WITH HUSTLER, 504 00:26:56,310 --> 00:27:00,488 ME AND DANA GRAY GO TO HAWAII TO BE IN THIS BOY/GIRL LAYOUT-- 505 00:27:00,531 --> 00:27:02,403 ONE OF THE GREATEST EXPERIENCES OF MY ENTIRE LIFE. 506 00:27:02,446 --> 00:27:04,666 JAMES BAES IS THE PHOTOGRAPHER. 507 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:07,451 HE WANTED THE SUN TO BE A CERTAIN WAY. 508 00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:09,410 WE'D TAKE A HELICOPTER TO A CERTAIN PART OF THE ISLAND, 509 00:27:09,453 --> 00:27:11,412 WHICH WAS TOTALLY DESERTED. 510 00:27:11,455 --> 00:27:13,240 EACH DAY, JAMES BAES WOULD LOOK AT THE SUN AND GO, 511 00:27:13,283 --> 00:27:15,503 "CLOUDS. IT JUST ISN'T--TODAY'S NOT A GOOD DAY TO SHOOT." 512 00:27:15,546 --> 00:27:17,200 I'D SAY, "GOOD. 513 00:27:17,244 --> 00:27:19,072 ALTHEA, SAILING TODAY? LET'S GO SAILING." 514 00:27:19,115 --> 00:27:21,248 I'M IN LOVE WITH THESE GUYS. THEY PAID FOR EVERYTHING. 515 00:27:21,291 --> 00:27:22,292 AND I GET A SALARY BESIDES. 516 00:27:22,336 --> 00:27:25,339 SECOND DAY, I'M LIKE THIS. 517 00:27:25,382 --> 00:27:27,384 JAMES BAES LOOKS AT THE SKY. 518 00:27:27,428 --> 00:27:29,735 "I'M SORRY, ALTHEA. THIS ISN'T A GOOD DAY TO SHOOT." 519 00:27:29,778 --> 00:27:31,650 "GREAT! SNORKELING." 520 00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:33,913 AND GUESS WHAT WE HAD FOR DINNER THAT NIGHT. 521 00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:35,654 SURF AND TURF, STEAK AND LOBSTER. 522 00:27:35,697 --> 00:27:38,961 SO THE THIRD DAY JAMES LOOKS AT THE SKY. 523 00:27:39,005 --> 00:27:41,485 "OH, TODAY WE CAN SHOOT." "FUCK!" 524 00:27:41,529 --> 00:27:43,357 YOU KNOW, SO WE TAKE A HELICOPTER 525 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,750 TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISLAND. 526 00:27:44,793 --> 00:27:46,665 WE DO THIS NICE LAYOUT. 527 00:27:49,755 --> 00:27:51,191 - LARRY FLYNT, A PORNOGRAPHER 528 00:27:51,234 --> 00:27:54,020 WHO PUBLISHES A MAGAZINE CALLED HUSTLER-- 529 00:27:54,063 --> 00:27:56,500 IT CONTAINS, IN MY JUDGMENT, AT LEAST, 530 00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:58,807 WELL, "SMUT" IS TOO KIND A DESCRIPTION. 531 00:27:58,851 --> 00:28:00,591 BUT HE SAYS ALL OF THAT WILL CHANGE, 532 00:28:00,635 --> 00:28:02,855 BECAUSE NOW CHRIST HAS WALKED INTO HIS HEART. 533 00:28:02,898 --> 00:28:05,858 HE SAYS THAT HE'S BEEN HELPED IN THAT BY RUTH CARTER STAPLETON, 534 00:28:05,901 --> 00:28:07,773 THE PRESIDENT'S EVANGELIST SISTER. 535 00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:17,478 - I'M LISTENING TO THE NEWS. 536 00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:20,350 THE NEWSCASTER SAYS LARRY FLYNT IS NOW BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN. 537 00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:22,439 WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK. 538 00:28:22,483 --> 00:28:24,441 - I GOT THIS CALL FROM HIM. 539 00:28:24,485 --> 00:28:26,574 HE SAYS, "I'M UP IN THE AIR WITH RUTH. 540 00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:28,271 I'VE JUST SEEN JESUS." 541 00:28:28,315 --> 00:28:31,100 AND I SAID, "WELL, YOU TELL HIM I SAID HI, LARRY." 542 00:28:31,144 --> 00:28:34,103 - A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GET INTO RELIGION 543 00:28:34,147 --> 00:28:36,540 SUFFER FROM MANIC DEPRESSION. 544 00:28:36,584 --> 00:28:39,326 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, 545 00:28:39,369 --> 00:28:42,024 BEING THE PUBLISHER OF HUSTLER 546 00:28:42,068 --> 00:28:44,548 AND "BORNED-AGAIN" 547 00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:47,073 GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PUBLICITY, 548 00:28:47,116 --> 00:28:49,031 WHICH FED THAT NARCISSISM. 549 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:51,164 - IN RETROSPECT, WE SHOULD'VE KNOWN LARRY 550 00:28:51,207 --> 00:28:54,384 WAS GONNA DO SOMETHING IN THE BORN-AGAIN VEIN, 551 00:28:54,428 --> 00:28:56,691 BECAUSE ABOUT THREE WEEKS PREVIOUS, 552 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,345 I GET A MEMO. 553 00:28:58,388 --> 00:29:01,435 THE MEMO STATED THAT THE COMPANY IS CLOSED TOMORROW. 554 00:29:01,478 --> 00:29:03,829 EVERYBODY'S GONNA GO TO THE LOCAL MOVIE THEATER. 555 00:29:03,872 --> 00:29:07,093 AND WE WATCHED THE MARJOEMOVIE. 556 00:29:07,136 --> 00:29:11,184 MARJOE GORTNER WAS A CON MAN RUNNING THESE RELIGIOUS REVIVALS 557 00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:13,534 WHO WERE STEALING EVERYBODY'S MONEY. 558 00:29:13,577 --> 00:29:15,797 - HALLELUJAH! - PRAISE JESUS! 559 00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:18,234 - HALLELUJAH! THANK YOU, JESUS! - THANK YOU, JESUS. 560 00:29:18,278 --> 00:29:20,367 - JESUS IS SO GOOD TO ME TONIGHT. 561 00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:24,371 HALLELUJAH. THANK YOU, JESUS. I PRAISE THE LORD. 562 00:29:24,414 --> 00:29:26,590 - HE MADE HIS OWN DOCUMENTARY CALLED MARJOE, 563 00:29:26,634 --> 00:29:28,462 WHICH EXPOSES THE PHONINESS OF IT ALL. 564 00:29:28,505 --> 00:29:31,204 - THERE'S THE EXPERIENCE WHERE YOU SAY YOU'RE SAVED, 565 00:29:31,247 --> 00:29:33,772 THEN THERE'S THE FIRE BAPTISM WHEN YOU GET THE HOLY GHOST, 566 00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:35,077 AND THAT'S THE TONGUES THING. 567 00:29:35,121 --> 00:29:36,600 AND THEY LOVE TO WORK PEOPLE OVER. 568 00:29:36,644 --> 00:29:38,602 YOU'VE GOT TO, LIKE, SHOOT IN ON THIS. 569 00:29:38,646 --> 00:29:41,475 - AND THEN I GOT A PHONE CALL 570 00:29:41,518 --> 00:29:43,999 THAT I HAVE TO FLY OUT TO COLORADO SPRINGS. 571 00:29:44,043 --> 00:29:46,523 AND THERE ARE ALL THESE RIGHT-WING CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS. 572 00:29:46,567 --> 00:29:48,438 THEY WANTED TO CONVERT ALL OF US, 573 00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:50,136 MAKE ALL OF US BORN-AGAIN. 574 00:29:50,179 --> 00:29:54,531 AND WHEN WE GOT THERE, LARRY SAT US DOWN 575 00:29:54,575 --> 00:29:56,446 AND READ US THE LENNY BRUCE BOOK. 576 00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:58,405 - LENNY BRUCE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE SAME 577 00:29:58,448 --> 00:30:00,929 CENSORSHIP ISSUES THAT LARRY DID. 578 00:30:00,973 --> 00:30:04,324 - HE HAD LEARNED ABOUT ST. PAUL 579 00:30:04,367 --> 00:30:07,849 AND KNEW I WAS THE CLOSEST TO LENNY WHO HE CONSIDERED A SAINT, 580 00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:11,113 AND SO, UNDER THE--IN THE AFTERGLOW OF HIS CONVERSION, 581 00:30:11,157 --> 00:30:13,550 HE HIRED ME ON A WHIM. 582 00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:17,337 - HE AND LARRY JUST REALLY, REALLY HIT IT OFF. 583 00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:20,427 THIS PAUL KRASSNER WAS JUST FEEDING OFF THIS MANIA, 584 00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:24,823 YOU KNOW, AND I SAID, "PAUL, MAN, WON'T YOU JUST DISAPPEAR?" 585 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:27,869 - PAUL KRASSNER, IN MY OPINION, 586 00:30:27,913 --> 00:30:31,090 WAS A FUNNY COMEDIAN, AN IRREVERENT COMEDIAN, 587 00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:35,659 BUT AS AN ACTUAL PUBLISHER, 588 00:30:35,703 --> 00:30:37,923 FIGUREHEAD OF A MAGAZINE, 589 00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:41,665 HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS PUT TOGETHER TOO WELL. 590 00:30:41,709 --> 00:30:45,452 HE WASN'T CAPABLE OF MAKING MANY DECISIONS. 591 00:30:45,495 --> 00:30:49,499 HE LET US MAKE THE DECISIONS, 592 00:30:49,543 --> 00:30:53,155 AND HE WOULD PRETTY MUCH GO ALONG WITH IT. 593 00:30:53,199 --> 00:30:54,548 AND... 594 00:30:57,943 --> 00:31:01,381 THAT'S A TOUGH ONE FOR ME, BECAUSE I HAD A PRO-- 595 00:31:01,424 --> 00:31:04,297 YOU KNOW, IT WAS A TOUGH ONE FOR ME, BECAUSE... 596 00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:09,128 I WAS HAVING PROBLEMS 597 00:31:09,171 --> 00:31:12,609 WITH A LOT OF THE CRAZINESS GOING ON. 598 00:31:12,653 --> 00:31:15,134 THERE WAS A LOT OF POLITICAL THINGS HAPPENING THEN, 599 00:31:15,177 --> 00:31:17,440 AND I WASN'T VERY HAPPY WITH HIM AS A PUBLISHER. 600 00:31:17,484 --> 00:31:18,920 HE WAS NO LARRY FLYNT. 601 00:31:18,964 --> 00:31:20,791 WE HAD A BIG JOB IN FRONT OF US. 602 00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:22,663 HOW DO WE PUT TOGETHER A BORN-AGAIN MAGAZINE? 603 00:31:22,706 --> 00:31:25,492 - I MEAN, I WASN'T THE BRIGHTEST GUY IN THE WORLD, 604 00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:27,015 BUT I KNEW THAT WOULDN'T WORK. 605 00:31:27,059 --> 00:31:29,888 - THAT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE JOB. 606 00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:33,543 AND I REMEMBER WE TRIED TO PUT IT TOGETHER. 607 00:31:33,587 --> 00:31:35,023 IT WAS DIFFICULT. 608 00:31:35,067 --> 00:31:37,025 - ME AND A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE 609 00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:38,940 WERE TRYING TO HOLD THIS THING TOGETHER. 610 00:31:38,984 --> 00:31:41,638 AND IT WAS COMING-- 611 00:31:41,682 --> 00:31:43,553 THE WHEELS WERE COMING OFF THIS THING. 612 00:31:43,597 --> 00:31:46,948 - HE SAID, "I CAN MAKE THOSE WALLS COME TUMBLING DOWN NOW, 613 00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:49,168 JUST FROM SHEER WILLPOWER." 614 00:31:49,211 --> 00:31:50,647 AND I SAID, "OH, BOY, THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT JOB." 615 00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:52,388 HE SAID, "NO, NO." 616 00:31:52,432 --> 00:31:53,955 HE SAID, "I DON'T WANT TO MISUSE MY POWER." 617 00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:55,565 I WAS LIKE, "OH, COME ON, LARRY, PLEASE. 618 00:31:55,609 --> 00:31:57,393 JUST THIS TI-- I WON'T TELL ANYBODY." 619 00:31:57,437 --> 00:31:59,221 - THESE PREACHERS STARTED COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK. 620 00:31:59,265 --> 00:32:01,702 "OH, LARRY, GOD BLESS YOU. 621 00:32:01,745 --> 00:32:03,660 "I'M BUILDING THIS-- 622 00:32:03,704 --> 00:32:06,489 "I'M BUILDING THIS CHURCH IN MARIETTA, GEORGIA. 623 00:32:06,533 --> 00:32:08,230 I NEED THE MONEY." 624 00:32:08,274 --> 00:32:10,406 WROTE HIM A CHECK FOR $100,000. 625 00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:11,930 - IT WAS A CON, 626 00:32:11,973 --> 00:32:15,542 AND THAT WHOLE HEALING THING WAS A CON. 627 00:32:15,585 --> 00:32:17,674 WE JUST WEREN'T SURE WHERE LARRY WAS GOING. 628 00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:20,808 HE WAS--HE'S THAT GOOD OF AN ACTOR... 629 00:32:20,851 --> 00:32:23,419 THAT HE CONNED US. 630 00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:25,769 HE WAS SO CONVINCING. 631 00:32:25,813 --> 00:32:27,728 HE CONVINCED US, AS WELL AS THE NEWS, 632 00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:29,599 EVEN THOUGH WE WERE TOLD PREVIOUSLY 633 00:32:29,643 --> 00:32:31,253 TO WATCH THIS MARJOEMOVIE. 634 00:32:53,058 --> 00:32:54,842 - THAT PUBLICITY MADE HUSTLER. 635 00:32:54,885 --> 00:32:57,497 AND AS MUCH PUBLICITY AS LARRY GOT, 636 00:32:57,540 --> 00:33:00,630 THE CRAZIER HE GOT, THE MORE PUBLICITY WE GOT, 637 00:33:00,674 --> 00:33:03,024 THE BETTER OUR MAGAZINE SALES GOT. 638 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:04,983 - WE'RE MAKING MANY CHANGES IN HUSTLER, 639 00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:07,072 AND I SAID I WILL NO LONGER 640 00:33:07,115 --> 00:33:08,899 HANG THE WOMAN UP LIKE A PIECE OF MEAT, 641 00:33:08,943 --> 00:33:11,250 AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERY WOMAN IN THE WORLD 642 00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:13,643 FOR WHAT I'VE DONE, AND WE WILL NO LONGER 643 00:33:13,687 --> 00:33:16,429 PORTRAY THEM THE WAY WE HAVE IN THE PAST. 644 00:33:16,472 --> 00:33:19,823 - IF I HAVE TO THINK OF ONE IMAGE THAT CHANGED MY LIFE, 645 00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:22,217 I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE MEAT GRINDER. 646 00:33:22,261 --> 00:33:26,917 NOTHING--NOTHING DELIVERED THE MESSAGE OF MISOGYNY TO ME 647 00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:31,096 IN SUCH A CRISP AND SUCCINCT FORM AS THAT IMAGE. 648 00:33:31,139 --> 00:33:32,706 - 30 YEARS LATER, THEY STILL 649 00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:34,664 TALK ABOUT THE MEAT GRINDER COVER, 650 00:33:34,708 --> 00:33:36,362 WHICH EVERYONE MISINTERPRETED. 651 00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:39,060 THAT WHOLE THING WAS, YOU KNOW, SYMBOLISM, 652 00:33:39,104 --> 00:33:40,496 AND THAT WE WERE ALMOST ACTUALLY 653 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:41,976 POINTING OUT THAT WOMEN WERE TREATED LIKE MEAT, 654 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:44,196 AND MAYBE PERHAPS WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT ANYMORE. 655 00:33:44,239 --> 00:33:47,851 - THIS WAS A BIG PRODUCTION, AND IT HAD TO BE ON SCHEDULE. 656 00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,331 SO I KIND OF WAS PUSHED AGAINST THE WALL 657 00:33:49,375 --> 00:33:52,856 TO APPROVE IT, SO I DID, 658 00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:54,380 AND HAD TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SIGNING IT, 659 00:33:54,423 --> 00:33:56,643 EVEN THOUGH I WAS AGAINST IT. 660 00:33:56,686 --> 00:33:58,166 I HAD SAID TO THE EDITOR, YOU KNOW, 661 00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:59,820 "WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? 662 00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:01,735 "WE'RE NOT GONNA HANG 'EM UP AS MEAT ANYMORE, 663 00:34:01,778 --> 00:34:03,215 WE'RE JUST GONNA GRIND 'EM TO PIECES INSTEAD?" 664 00:34:03,258 --> 00:34:06,131 - I THINK IN MANY WAYS, WOMEN ARE FORCED, 665 00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:08,002 REALLY FORCED, 666 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,961 TO UNDERSTAND THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY 667 00:34:11,005 --> 00:34:13,703 THAT DETESTS AND HATES AND LOATHES WOMEN, 668 00:34:13,747 --> 00:34:17,533 BECAUSE THAT PICTURE CAPTURES IT LIKE NOTHING ELSE. 669 00:34:17,577 --> 00:34:19,622 - IN THE MID-'80s, THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED 670 00:34:19,666 --> 00:34:21,537 THE FEMINIST PORN WARS. 671 00:34:21,581 --> 00:34:23,539 AND THAT WAS THE-- 672 00:34:23,583 --> 00:34:26,412 THE GIANT RENDING OF THE FEMINIST COMMUNITY 673 00:34:26,455 --> 00:34:29,067 BETWEEN THE PRO- AND THE ANTICENSORSHIP FORCES. 674 00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:31,156 NOW, PLENTY OF ANTICENSORSHIP FEMINISTS 675 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,723 DO NOT LIKE PORNOGRAPHY, ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PORNOGRAPHY, 676 00:34:33,767 --> 00:34:35,421 BUT UNDERSTAND THAT CENSORSHIP 677 00:34:35,464 --> 00:34:38,815 IS A BIGGER PROBLEM FOR WOMEN THAN DIRTY PICTURES. 678 00:34:38,859 --> 00:34:41,992 AND THEN THERE ARE THE FEMINISTS WHO THINK THAT DIRTY PICTURES 679 00:34:42,036 --> 00:34:44,865 ARE THE MOST SERIOUS THING FACING WOMEN IN THE WORLD TODAY. 680 00:34:44,908 --> 00:34:47,172 SO THAT MEAT GRINDER COVER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE, 681 00:34:47,215 --> 00:34:48,869 BUT THE IDEA THAT PORNOGRAPHY TREATS WOMEN LIKE MEAT 682 00:34:48,912 --> 00:34:52,264 IS A TROPE OF FEMINISM NOW 683 00:34:52,307 --> 00:34:56,006 THAT NO ONE EVER... 684 00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:57,878 EXAMINES OR PUSHES BACK AGAINST. 685 00:34:57,921 --> 00:35:01,708 - WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CALLING IT REALLY WHAT IT IS, 686 00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:05,625 WOMEN AS OBJECTIFIED, SORT OF COMMODIFIED OBJECTS, 687 00:35:05,668 --> 00:35:08,584 TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN FASHION ANYWAY OR TV ANYWAY? 688 00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:11,500 YOU KNOW, SO, IN A WAY, HE JUST PUSHED IT A LITTLE FURTHER. 689 00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:15,025 - WE'RE ALL NEUROTICS RESPONDING TO A NEUROTIC ENVIRONMENT. 690 00:35:15,069 --> 00:35:16,766 AND I DON'T FEEL THAT WE CAN EVER KNOW GOD 691 00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:18,812 TILL WE KNOW OURSELF. 692 00:35:18,855 --> 00:35:21,771 AND THE PERSON THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS MAGAZINE 693 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:24,644 THAT HE THINKS BANNING IT IS GONNA SOLVE, 694 00:35:24,687 --> 00:35:26,080 HE'S GOT A PROBLEM. 695 00:35:37,831 --> 00:35:40,834 - WE WENT TO TRIAL IN LAWRENCEVILLE, GEORGIA. 696 00:35:40,877 --> 00:35:42,792 WE WERE FINISHED WITH JURY SELECTION, 697 00:35:42,836 --> 00:35:44,359 WE WERE INTO THE CASE. 698 00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:48,102 LARRY WAS ON THE STAND FOR THE DEFENSE, TESTIFYING. 699 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:51,453 WE HAD A LOCAL LAWYER. HIS NAME WAS GENE REEVES. 700 00:35:51,497 --> 00:35:54,761 WE HAD HIRED GENE REEVES FOR 500 HOURS A DAY 701 00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:57,546 TO BE A CONSULTANT ON JURIES, 702 00:35:57,590 --> 00:35:59,069 BECAUSE HE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY. 703 00:35:59,113 --> 00:36:00,897 SO, WHEN WE WERE PICKING A JURY, 704 00:36:00,941 --> 00:36:03,161 WE NEEDED SOMEONE WHO KNEW EVERYONE. 705 00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:05,641 AT LUNCHTIME, REEVES SAID, 706 00:36:05,685 --> 00:36:08,253 "LOOK, I'LL TAKE LARRY TO LUNCH." 707 00:36:08,296 --> 00:36:09,863 GREAT, BABYSIT HIM. 708 00:36:09,906 --> 00:36:13,127 'CAUSE WE WERE STAYING IN THE COURTROOM DOING OUR WORK. 709 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:14,781 - AND LARRY SAID, "WELL, IT'S THE LAST DAY. 710 00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:16,696 WHY DON'T YOU JOIN US?" 711 00:36:16,739 --> 00:36:19,220 AND I SAID, "LARRY, I'M GOING TO STAY HERE 712 00:36:19,264 --> 00:36:21,657 AND WORK ON MY FINAL ARGUMENT TO THE JURY." 713 00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:24,094 - SO I WAS THINKING, WHERE WOULD BE THE GOOD PLACE 714 00:36:24,138 --> 00:36:26,053 TO SET UP THE AMBUSH? 715 00:36:26,096 --> 00:36:29,274 SO I KEPT WALKING, AND I SAW THAT OLD BUILDING. 716 00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:31,841 AS LUCK WOULD HAVE IT, IT WAS VACANT. 717 00:36:31,885 --> 00:36:33,930 I GOT THERE EARLY, AROUND-- 718 00:36:33,974 --> 00:36:35,976 I THINK IT WAS AROUND 9:00 OR 10:00. 719 00:36:36,019 --> 00:36:37,412 AND JUST WAITED FOR HIM. 720 00:36:37,456 --> 00:36:38,979 YOU KNOW, I KNEW THE ROUTE HE WAS TAKING. 721 00:36:39,022 --> 00:36:40,459 I'D BEEN WALK-- YOU KNOW, CASING 722 00:36:40,502 --> 00:36:42,722 THE WHOLE TOWN OF LAWRENCEVILLE FOR SOME TIME. 723 00:36:42,765 --> 00:36:44,245 YOU KNOW, KNEW WHERE HE WOULD BE WALKING BY. 724 00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:48,336 - THEY HAD A RED PHONE BOOTH OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE. 725 00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:52,166 I WAS ON THE PHONE TALKING TO MY SECRETARY. 726 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:55,125 AND LARRY AND THE OTHERS 727 00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:58,912 WERE COMING ACROSS THE LITTLE SQUARE THAT'S THEIR TOWN SQUARE. 728 00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:01,349 - FLYNT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING FROM ONE DIRECTION. 729 00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:04,265 I WAS EXPECTING THEM FROM THE RIGHT, THE COURTHOUSE. 730 00:37:04,309 --> 00:37:07,007 AND THEY WERE COMING FROM THE CAFETERIA. 731 00:37:07,050 --> 00:37:08,704 WHEN I GOT THE CROSSHAIRS ON HIM, 732 00:37:08,748 --> 00:37:11,881 I RECOGNIZED LARRY AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WALKING. 733 00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:16,582 SO I IMMEDIATELY SQUEEZED OFF A ROUND. 734 00:37:16,625 --> 00:37:19,846 - DOWN LARRY GOES. DOWN GENE REEVES GOES. 735 00:37:19,889 --> 00:37:22,152 - SO THE BULLET WENT THROUGH LARRY AND WENT TO-- 736 00:37:22,196 --> 00:37:25,068 AND TO GENE REEVES. 737 00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:26,896 I DIDN'T EVEN INTEND AT ALL TO SHOOT HIM, 738 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:29,334 BUT THE BULLET IS SO POWERFUL, THEY GO RIGHT THROUGH A PERSON. 739 00:37:29,377 --> 00:37:31,945 - I RUSH OVER TO THEM, 740 00:37:31,988 --> 00:37:35,340 AND REEVES IS ROLLING AROUND HOLDING HIS SHOULDER. 741 00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:38,168 - I TOOK OFF RUNNING THROUGH THE BACK ALLEY 742 00:37:38,212 --> 00:37:40,345 AFTER I SHOT LARRY TWICE. 743 00:37:40,388 --> 00:37:42,477 - LARRY, BY THE WAY, WAS LAYING THERE, 744 00:37:42,521 --> 00:37:44,479 AND HE WAS JUST WIDE OPEN. 745 00:37:44,523 --> 00:37:49,267 - LARRY FLYNT IS PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON IN HISTORY 746 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:53,053 WHO'S EVER BEEN SHOT WITH A .44 MAGNUM TWICE AND LIVED. 747 00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:56,970 - THE NEXT THING I REMEMBER WAS I SAW ALL THESE TV PEOPLE 748 00:37:57,013 --> 00:37:58,972 RUNNING WITH THE CAMERAS, YOU KNOW. 749 00:37:59,015 --> 00:38:01,583 AND I KNEW SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED, 750 00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:03,455 AND WHEN I GOT DOWN THERE, 751 00:38:03,498 --> 00:38:07,328 AND I SAW WHEN THEY OPENED UP HIS SHIRT, 752 00:38:07,372 --> 00:38:11,332 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BURNED INTO MY MIND. 753 00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,769 IT WAS LIKE A WAR SCENE. 754 00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:24,824 - YOU KNOW, THEY GAVE LARRY, LIKE, A 10% CHANCE OF SURVIVAL. 755 00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:26,129 AS WE'RE SITTING THERE, 756 00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:29,132 WAITING NOW FOR ALTHEA TO FLY IN, 757 00:38:29,176 --> 00:38:32,614 THE WHOLE MEDIA WORLD IS CONVERGING ON THIS PLACE. 758 00:38:32,658 --> 00:38:37,097 - I MEAN, THE PUBLICITY WAS ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE-- 759 00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:41,231 TV, RADIO, THE TALK SHOWS. 760 00:38:41,275 --> 00:38:43,233 - THEY FLEW ME TO ATLANTA 761 00:38:43,277 --> 00:38:45,061 TO THE HOSPITAL WHERE HE WAS STAYING. 762 00:38:45,105 --> 00:38:48,238 HIS WIFE, ALTHEA, WAS THERE, AND HE WAS BEING HELD TOGETHER 763 00:38:48,282 --> 00:38:51,938 BY SCOTCH TAPE AND MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY, 764 00:38:51,981 --> 00:38:54,027 WITH HIS OXYGEN MASK. 765 00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:56,899 AND JUST HELD HIS HAND, AND I SAID, 766 00:38:56,943 --> 00:39:00,990 "WELL, LARRY, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW IS GOOD FRIDAY, 767 00:39:01,034 --> 00:39:03,384 SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO WORK." 768 00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:06,735 AND ALTHEA SAID, "PAUL, LOOK AT HIM." 769 00:39:06,779 --> 00:39:08,650 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S SAYING. 770 00:39:08,694 --> 00:39:10,565 HE WAS BLINKING HIS EYES VERY FAST, 771 00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:12,306 AND SHE SAID, "HE'S LAUGHING." 772 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,264 AND SHE SAID, "I WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF THIS 773 00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:17,746 AND PUT IT IN HUSTLERAND SHOW PEOPLE WHAT WAS DONE TO HIM." 774 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:19,008 AS I WAS LEAVING, SHE SAID, "OH, PAUL, 775 00:39:19,052 --> 00:39:20,401 REMEMBER, GO HARD CORE." 776 00:39:20,445 --> 00:39:23,143 - RUTH CARTER COMES IN, 777 00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:25,101 AND SHE SAYS, 778 00:39:25,145 --> 00:39:26,581 "WELL, NOW WE'RE ALL GONNA, 779 00:39:26,625 --> 00:39:29,105 YOU KNOW, KNEEL IN PRAYER FOR LARRY." 780 00:39:29,149 --> 00:39:31,630 SO WE'RE ALL LIKE--FAHRINGER AND I ARE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER 781 00:39:31,673 --> 00:39:33,371 LIKE, WOW, YOU KNOW, 782 00:39:33,414 --> 00:39:36,417 WE KIND OF NEVER EXPECTED ALL OF THIS, RIGHT? 783 00:39:36,461 --> 00:39:39,768 SO HERE WE ARE, ALL IN THE HOSPITAL IN A CIRCLE, 784 00:39:39,812 --> 00:39:42,467 KNEELING DOWN AND BEING LED IN PRAYER 785 00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:44,207 BY THE PRESIDENT'S SISTER. 786 00:40:08,754 --> 00:40:12,410 - IF YOU CAN BELIEVE FRANKLIN WAS THE SHOOTER, 787 00:40:12,453 --> 00:40:16,762 THEN YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE HIS COMMENTS 788 00:40:16,805 --> 00:40:20,548 OF WHEN LARRY CHOSE TO RUN 789 00:40:20,592 --> 00:40:23,899 THE INTERRACIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF BUTCH AND PEACHES. 790 00:40:23,943 --> 00:40:25,466 AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT FRANKLIN SAYS 791 00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:27,686 IS THE REASON THAT HE SHOT HIM. 792 00:40:27,729 --> 00:40:29,905 - CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU SHOT FLYNT IN THE FIRST PLACE? 793 00:40:29,949 --> 00:40:32,473 - IT WAS THE INTERRACIAL PUBLI-- 794 00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:35,171 PICTURES AND STUFF IN THE MAGAZINE. 795 00:40:35,215 --> 00:40:38,392 I WAS SITTING ON THE COUCH, AND I PICKED IT UP, 796 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:42,962 SAW THE PICTURE OF THE STUD FROM OHIO OR SOME CRAP LIKE THAT, 797 00:40:43,005 --> 00:40:44,442 YOU KNOW, THE PICTURE 798 00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:47,793 OF THE BLONDE-HAIRED BROAD FROM OHIO 799 00:40:47,836 --> 00:40:50,491 HAVING SEX WITH A BLACK MAN. 800 00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:53,973 I BECAME OUTRAGED, SLAMMED IT DOWN, 801 00:40:54,016 --> 00:40:55,409 SAID, "I'M GONNA KILL THIS GUY." 802 00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:57,019 - WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO LARRY FLYNT NOW? 803 00:40:57,063 --> 00:40:59,935 WHAT DO YOU SEE AS HAPPENING FROM THIS POINT ON? 804 00:40:59,979 --> 00:41:03,286 - WELL, THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER I'M ABLE TO WALK OR NOT. 805 00:41:03,330 --> 00:41:05,985 AND I'VE GOT THE DETERMINATION THAT I'M GOING TO. 806 00:41:06,028 --> 00:41:09,554 IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER I WALK ON LAND OR WATER. 807 00:41:14,776 --> 00:41:16,735 - WHERE IS THIS THING GOING? 808 00:41:16,778 --> 00:41:19,825 LARRY WAS GETTING INTO THIS BORN-AGAIN TOO MUCH. 809 00:41:19,868 --> 00:41:23,219 PART OF MY MIND SAID, "WHY AM I MOVING TO L.A.?" 810 00:41:23,263 --> 00:41:26,658 - COLUMBUS WAS GETTING KIND OF ANNOYING. 811 00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:28,921 I GUESS HE JUST GOT TIRED OF BEING HASSLED THERE. 812 00:41:28,964 --> 00:41:30,531 IT JUST SEEMED LIKE HE COULDN'T DO HIS THING. 813 00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:32,185 HE HAD A MAGAZINE OUT HERE CALLED CHIC 814 00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:34,317 THAT WAS ALREADY IN LOS ANGELES. 815 00:41:34,361 --> 00:41:37,669 HE NEVER GOT TO ENJOY THAT WHOLE, UH, CALIFORNIA THING 816 00:41:37,712 --> 00:41:40,019 'CAUSE HE JUST GOT SHOT SIX WEEKS LATER. 817 00:41:40,062 --> 00:41:42,282 - MRS. ALTHEA FLYNT IS JUST 24 YEARS OLD, 818 00:41:42,325 --> 00:41:43,936 BUT SHE'S RUNNING A PUBLISHING EMPIRE 819 00:41:43,979 --> 00:41:45,764 WORTH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 820 00:41:45,807 --> 00:41:48,810 SHE SPENDS LONG DAYS SHEPHERDING NEARLY A DOZEN MAGAZINES, 821 00:41:48,854 --> 00:41:50,725 NEWSPAPERS, AND COMPANIES 822 00:41:50,769 --> 00:41:52,858 FOR DISTRIBUTION, ADVERTISING, AND MAIL ORDERS. 823 00:41:52,901 --> 00:41:54,294 SHE MONITORS HER HUSBAND'S CARE. 824 00:42:05,218 --> 00:42:06,915 - SHE WOULD HAVE GOOD IDEAS. 825 00:42:06,959 --> 00:42:08,569 I WOULD HAVE A MEETING WITH HER IN HER OFFICE, 826 00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:12,878 AND--WITH MY LITTLE PAD AND PEN, AND SHE WOULD SAY, 827 00:42:12,921 --> 00:42:14,444 "I WANT TO HAVE AN ARTICLE 828 00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:18,666 ON THE POOR QUALITY OF SCHOOL LUNCHES." 829 00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:20,929 AND I SAID, "SURE," BECAUSE IT WAS EXPANDING. 830 00:42:20,973 --> 00:42:25,412 I MEAN, I GOT ARTICLES IN ABOUT THE ASSASSINATION OF MALCOLM X. 831 00:42:25,455 --> 00:42:29,242 I GOT A FEMINIST FRIEND TO WRITE A PIECE ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS. 832 00:42:29,285 --> 00:42:31,200 - I LEFT, UM... 833 00:42:31,244 --> 00:42:34,247 A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER LARRY GOT SHOT. 834 00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:36,466 UM... 835 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:38,468 - WHY? 836 00:42:38,512 --> 00:42:41,384 - PLACE WAS JUST POLITICAL. IT WAS CRAZY. 837 00:42:41,428 --> 00:42:44,170 AND WE WERE IN LOS ANGELES BY NOW. 838 00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:47,608 AND I GOT A BETTER OFFER. IT WAS SIMPLE AS THAT. 839 00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:51,220 AND WE JUST HAD YOU, 840 00:42:51,264 --> 00:42:53,266 AND I NEEDED A STEADY INCOME. 841 00:42:53,309 --> 00:42:56,791 AND THINGS WERE JUST TOO CRAZY OVER AT HUSTLER. 842 00:42:56,835 --> 00:42:59,577 - AFTER LARRY GOT SHOT, 843 00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:01,840 THERE WAS A TERRIBLE CASH-FLOW PROBLEM. 844 00:43:01,883 --> 00:43:05,800 THE PEOPLE THAT HUSTLEROWED MONEY TO WANTED IT RIGHT AWAY, 845 00:43:05,844 --> 00:43:09,151 AND THE PEOPLE THAT OWED HUSTLERMONEY 846 00:43:09,195 --> 00:43:11,501 DIDN'T PAY IT, 'CAUSE THEY FIGURED, YOU KNOW, 847 00:43:11,545 --> 00:43:14,679 IT'S GONNA GO DOWN THE TOILET IF, UM... 848 00:43:14,722 --> 00:43:16,332 IF HE'S NOT ABLE TO COME BACK. 849 00:43:16,376 --> 00:43:18,639 - LARRY BELIEVED IN SPENDING MONEY TO MAKE MONEY, 850 00:43:18,683 --> 00:43:21,076 AND ALTHEA THOUGHT MORE LIKE A REPUBLICAN, 851 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,818 WHICH IS CUTTING COSTS IS THE WAY THAT YOU MAKE MONEY. 852 00:43:23,862 --> 00:43:26,299 - SO ONE DAY SHE CALLED ME IN, 853 00:43:26,342 --> 00:43:29,955 AND I HAD MY PEN AND PAD READY, AND SHE SAID, 854 00:43:29,998 --> 00:43:33,349 "PAUL, I HAVE TO FIRE YOU." AND I WROTE DOWN, "FIRED." 855 00:43:33,393 --> 00:43:36,439 - PAUL WAS MAKING THE MOST MONEY OF ANYBODY AT HUSTLER. 856 00:43:36,483 --> 00:43:38,224 - I WAS KIND OF RELIEVED. 857 00:43:38,267 --> 00:43:40,661 YOU KNOW, I WENT INTO MY OFFICE, CLOSED THE DOOR, 858 00:43:40,705 --> 00:43:44,230 PUT THE MUSIC ON MY RADIO, AND STARTED DANCING. 859 00:43:44,273 --> 00:43:47,320 - SHE DECIDED TO ELIMINATE HIS POSITION 860 00:43:47,363 --> 00:43:50,453 AND ACT AS PUBLISHER HERSELF. 861 00:43:50,497 --> 00:43:52,107 A LOT OF THE EDITORS WHO WORKED FOR HER DIDN'T LIKE HER 862 00:43:52,151 --> 00:43:53,805 BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T COME OUT 863 00:43:53,848 --> 00:43:57,678 OF THE WRITING, EDITING END OF THE BUSINESS. 864 00:43:57,722 --> 00:43:59,637 SHE CAME OUT OF THE DANCING-NAKED END 865 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,203 OF THE BUSINESS. 866 00:44:01,247 --> 00:44:03,815 - SHE TOOK THE REINS OF THE COMPANY 867 00:44:03,858 --> 00:44:05,643 DURING THAT TIME WHEN LARRY WAS NOT, 868 00:44:05,686 --> 00:44:07,862 YOU KNOW, WELL ENOUGH TO DO THAT, 869 00:44:07,906 --> 00:44:10,212 AND SHE REALLY USHERED THE COMPANY 870 00:44:10,256 --> 00:44:11,387 THROUGH SOME HARD TIMES THERE, 871 00:44:11,431 --> 00:44:14,042 AND SHE DID IT WITH HER OWN STYLE 872 00:44:14,086 --> 00:44:15,740 AND SENSE OF HUMOR. 873 00:44:15,783 --> 00:44:17,306 - SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING, 874 00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:19,395 I MEAN, SHE REALLY STOOD UP FOR HERSELF, 875 00:44:19,439 --> 00:44:22,007 AND SHE KNEW THE MAGAZINE, SHE KNEW THE READERSHIP. 876 00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:25,358 - WHAT SHE REALLY DID WAS JUST KEEP TRYING TO COPY 877 00:44:25,401 --> 00:44:28,709 WHAT HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL SEVERAL ISSUES AGO. 878 00:44:28,753 --> 00:44:30,450 - YOU CAN SEE IT. LIKE, THE COVERS ARE REALLY STALE. 879 00:44:30,493 --> 00:44:32,191 EVERYTHING'S REALLY FLAT. 880 00:44:32,234 --> 00:44:34,497 IT'S GOT NO REAL POINT OF VIEW. 881 00:44:34,541 --> 00:44:36,456 - THIS WAS A TIME WHEN BOTH LARRY AND ALTHEA 882 00:44:36,499 --> 00:44:39,459 STARTED TO USE HEAVY DRUGS. 883 00:44:39,502 --> 00:44:42,767 WHEN LARRY WOULD ORDER SOMETHING FROM HIS HOSPITAL BED 884 00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:47,423 THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO OR WAS TOO WACKY TO DO, 885 00:44:47,467 --> 00:44:51,514 ALL OF US, INCLUDING ALTHEA, WOULD SAY, 886 00:44:51,558 --> 00:44:53,386 "OH, LARRY MUST'VE BEEN CONFUSED," 887 00:44:53,429 --> 00:44:55,823 MEANING LARRY WAS OUT OF HIS FUCKING MIND 888 00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:57,651 WHEN HE MADE THAT DECISION. 889 00:44:57,695 --> 00:45:00,393 - WE USED TO HANG OUT AT THIS CLUB CALLED THE RAINBOW, 890 00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:04,310 AND ONE NIGHT UP PULLS THIS BIG, BLACK LIMO, 891 00:45:04,353 --> 00:45:07,139 AND ON THE SIDE OF THE LIMO WAS THIS NAKED LADY. 892 00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:10,316 IT SAID, "THINK PINK" ON THE LICENSE PLATE. 893 00:45:10,359 --> 00:45:14,059 AND OUT POPS THIS WOMAN WITH LEATHER PANTS ON 894 00:45:14,102 --> 00:45:16,148 AND THIS SHOCK-BLACK HAIR. 895 00:45:16,191 --> 00:45:18,237 AND IT WAS ALTHEA FLYNT. SHE WAS AWESOME. 896 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,804 SHE WAS THIS BRASH WOMAN 897 00:45:19,847 --> 00:45:21,414 WHO WOULD JUST GET RIGHT DOWN TO BUSINESS. 898 00:45:21,457 --> 00:45:24,939 "HEY, I'M GONNA SHOOT YOU FOR HUSTLER." 899 00:45:24,983 --> 00:45:28,595 AND, "COME ON OUT WITH ME. WE'RE GONNA GO PARTY." 900 00:45:28,638 --> 00:45:30,379 AND YOU GET IN THE BACK OF THE LIMO, 901 00:45:30,423 --> 00:45:32,468 AND THEY BREAK OUT THIS BIG BAG OF COKE. 902 00:45:32,512 --> 00:45:34,427 AND I WAS, LIKE, SITTING THERE GOING-- 903 00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:36,124 NOW, I'M THIS KID FROM ORANGE COUNTY, 904 00:45:36,168 --> 00:45:38,648 LIKE, I HAD NEVER EVEN SEEN A BAG OF COKE THAT BIG. 905 00:45:38,692 --> 00:45:40,738 - YOU WOULD BE WORKING ALL THESE HOURS, 906 00:45:40,781 --> 00:45:42,522 NOT REALLY GETTING PAID OVERTIME, 907 00:45:42,565 --> 00:45:44,002 BUT THEY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY HERE OR THERE, 908 00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:46,004 BUT THEN EVERYTHING YOU WOULD EARN YOU'D SPEND ON COKE 909 00:45:46,047 --> 00:45:47,527 SO YOU COULD STAY AT WORK AND WORK MORE. 910 00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:49,659 SO IT WASN'T REALLY LIKE A-- THERE WAS NOT-- 911 00:45:49,703 --> 00:45:51,313 R.O.I., THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, 912 00:45:51,357 --> 00:45:53,838 WAS MAYBE NOT SO FANTASTIC IN A MONETARY WAY, 913 00:45:53,881 --> 00:45:56,101 BUT IT WAS KIND OF EXCITING. 914 00:45:56,144 --> 00:45:57,493 IT WAS VERY EXCITING. 915 00:45:57,537 --> 00:46:01,976 - THAT WAS PRETTY-- A PRETTY HIGH-ON-COKE TIME. 916 00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:03,804 LARRY WASN'T THERE 917 00:46:03,848 --> 00:46:06,546 AND THE PARANOIA 918 00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:10,898 AND THE FEAR GOING ON IN THAT COMPANY... 919 00:46:10,942 --> 00:46:14,510 - PEOPLE KIND OF JUST WENT CRAZY. 920 00:46:14,554 --> 00:46:16,382 YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF DRUG USE. 921 00:46:16,425 --> 00:46:18,427 THERE WAS A LOT OF PARTIES. 922 00:46:44,018 --> 00:46:47,543 - I GOT BACK TO HUSTLER IN THE EARLY '80s. 923 00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:50,503 AND I DIDN'T SEE MUCH OF LARRY. ALTHEA WAS IN CHARGE. 924 00:46:50,546 --> 00:46:53,332 AND I WANTED TO GO BACK TO HUSTLER 925 00:46:53,375 --> 00:46:55,377 AND FINISH WHAT I'D STARTED YEARS AGO. 926 00:46:55,421 --> 00:46:59,164 - LARRY HAD THIS REAL NEED TO HAVE QUALITY WORK. 927 00:46:59,207 --> 00:47:00,556 HE WAS VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT 928 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,384 THAT HE CAME FROM THE HILLS. 929 00:47:02,428 --> 00:47:04,430 HE WAS VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT HE WAS SELF-TAUGHT. 930 00:47:04,473 --> 00:47:07,346 AND SO HE WANTED HIS MAGAZINE TO REFLECT 931 00:47:07,389 --> 00:47:09,348 NOT HILLBILLIES FROM KENTUCKY, BUT HE WANTED IT TO BE, 932 00:47:09,391 --> 00:47:12,481 YOU KNOW, A REALLY STRONG MAGAZINE WITH HIGH STANDARDS. 933 00:47:12,525 --> 00:47:14,614 - THERE WERE A COUPLE OF EMBARRASSING MOMENTS. 934 00:47:14,657 --> 00:47:18,748 I MEAN, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN LARRY ASSIGNED AN ARTICLE 935 00:47:18,792 --> 00:47:22,491 THAT K-Y JELLY CAUSED AIDS. 936 00:47:22,535 --> 00:47:25,668 IT WAS RIDICULOUS. THERE WAS NO PROOF. 937 00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:28,628 BUT IT WAS SOMETHING WE DID. 938 00:47:28,671 --> 00:47:30,543 YOU GOT TO OWN UP TO YOUR MISTAKES ALSO. 939 00:47:30,586 --> 00:47:35,243 - EVERY ARTICLE WAS FACT-CHECKED COMPLETELY, 940 00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:38,464 PARTIALLY BECAUSE WE'D GET SUED AND WOULD HAVE TO SHOW 941 00:47:38,507 --> 00:47:42,337 THAT YOU ACTUALLY FACT-CHECKED AN ARTICLE 942 00:47:42,381 --> 00:47:44,426 TO AVOID LOSING A LIBEL SUIT. 943 00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:46,776 - WE HAD A PHRASE THAT WE USED AT THE TIME CALLED, 944 00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:49,170 "WE WANT TO DO LAWSUIT-QUALITY WORK." 945 00:47:49,214 --> 00:47:52,260 IF WE DON'T GET SUED, THEN WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB. 946 00:47:52,304 --> 00:47:54,567 - THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE DID 947 00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:56,395 THAT WE WERE PRETTY MUCH FIRST AT. 948 00:47:56,438 --> 00:47:58,353 I THINK WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE 949 00:47:58,397 --> 00:48:00,529 TO TALK ABOUT THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT. 950 00:48:00,573 --> 00:48:02,227 I CAN STILL REMEMBER 951 00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:03,881 THE ILLUSTRATION OF THE FLOODED CITY. 952 00:48:03,924 --> 00:48:06,796 THAT WAS PRETTY SPECTACULAR AT THE TIME. 953 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,408 THIS WAS BACK WHEN ILLUSTRATION WAS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. 954 00:48:19,505 --> 00:48:22,029 I WAS ALWAYS INTO SUPERREALISM 955 00:48:22,073 --> 00:48:25,206 BEFORE I EVER TOOK THE JOB AT HUSTLER. 956 00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:27,817 I LOVED THAT LOOK, AND THAT WAS THE LOOK OF HUSTLER, 957 00:48:27,861 --> 00:48:29,210 WHICH WAS A PERFECT MATCH FOR ME. 958 00:48:29,254 --> 00:48:33,171 ILLUSTRATORS LIKE REN WICKS AND ALEX EBEL. 959 00:48:57,108 --> 00:49:00,459 - LARRY LIKES CARTOONS. 960 00:49:00,502 --> 00:49:02,722 AND HE USED TO SAY, "IT'S A POUND OF PAPER. 961 00:49:02,765 --> 00:49:06,944 IT'S GIRLS, CARTOONS, AND THE ARTICLES." 962 00:49:06,987 --> 00:49:08,336 HE FELT THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY 963 00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:09,990 WHO BOUGHT THE MAGAZINE WOULD BE LOOKING AT... 964 00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:10,991 IN THAT ORDER. 965 00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:34,058 - WE CAME FROM EASTERN KENTUCKY, 966 00:49:34,101 --> 00:49:36,625 NO EDUCATION, 967 00:49:36,669 --> 00:49:40,978 AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT BARNYARD HUMOR CAME FROM. 968 00:49:41,021 --> 00:49:44,024 - LARRY REALLY DIDN'T BREAK NEW GROUNDS WITH HUMOR. 969 00:49:44,068 --> 00:49:46,026 HE JUST EXTENDED A LINE THAT'S BEEN GOING 970 00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:47,636 SINCE THE RENAISSANCE, SINCE BEFORE THE RENAISSANCE, 971 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,334 SINCE MEDIEVAL ERA. 972 00:49:49,377 --> 00:49:52,728 YOU KNOW, JUST A LINE OF ANTIAUTHORITY, 973 00:49:52,772 --> 00:49:56,036 SEXUALLY CHARGED HUMOR. 974 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,342 AND I THINK HUMOR UPSETS THE POWER STRUCTURE 975 00:49:57,385 --> 00:49:59,039 MORE THAN ANYTHING. 976 00:49:59,083 --> 00:50:01,999 - DWAINE TINSLEY BROUGHT A CRAZY IRREVERENT HUMOR 977 00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:03,696 TO HUSTLER. 978 00:50:03,739 --> 00:50:07,178 DWAINE BROUGHT THAT CHESTER THE MOLESTER CHARACTER. 979 00:50:07,221 --> 00:50:10,311 WHETHER HE WAS DEALING WITH JESUS ON A CROSS, 980 00:50:10,355 --> 00:50:12,618 OR FECES, 981 00:50:12,661 --> 00:50:15,708 AS SICK AS YOU COULD DO IT, THE BETTER FOR HIM. 982 00:50:15,751 --> 00:50:18,711 - IF THERE ARE LEVELS OF BAD TASTE, 983 00:50:18,754 --> 00:50:21,975 DWAINE WAS AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE LEVEL. 984 00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:24,238 BUT HE WAS A VERY TALENTED GUY, 985 00:50:24,282 --> 00:50:27,067 AND HE WOULD GO AFTER ANYBODY AND EVERYTHING 986 00:50:27,111 --> 00:50:29,722 FOR A LAUGH. 987 00:50:29,765 --> 00:50:32,203 AND HE TOOK LARRY FIVE STEPS FURTHER 988 00:50:32,246 --> 00:50:34,814 FROM ANYTHING THAT WOULD COME OUT OF LARRY'S MOUTH. 989 00:50:34,857 --> 00:50:38,818 HE WANTED TO OFFEND, AND HE WANTED TO OFFEND SERIOUSLY, 990 00:50:38,861 --> 00:50:41,734 BECAUSE THAT WAS THE FIRST AMENDMENT BATTLE. 991 00:50:41,777 --> 00:50:43,649 - THERE WAS NO RULES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 992 00:50:43,692 --> 00:50:46,565 IT WAS A NEW WORLD WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS WHEN YOU'RE A KID, 993 00:50:46,608 --> 00:50:49,220 COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, MARVEL COMICS OR SOMETHING. 994 00:50:49,263 --> 00:50:50,917 HERE'S ANOTHER DWAINE TINSLEY PIECE. 995 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,487 THESE ARE DONE WITH PEN AND WATERCOLOR, I BELIEVE. 996 00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:58,055 AND, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH LITTLE DETAIL IN THERE. 997 00:50:58,098 --> 00:51:00,666 NOTICE A LITTLE PISS STAIN ON THE UNDERWEAR. 998 00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:02,015 I MEAN, THAT'S COMEDIC AS ALL HELL. 999 00:51:02,059 --> 00:51:05,105 - NO MATTER HOW OUTRAGEOUS IT IS, 1000 00:51:05,149 --> 00:51:07,629 IT'S NEVER OUTRAGEOUS ENOUGH FOR LARRY. 1001 00:51:07,673 --> 00:51:09,675 HE ALWAYS WANTS TO PUSH IT A LITTLE FURTHER. 1002 00:51:09,718 --> 00:51:14,245 - FIRST I START OUT WITH A ROUGH TISSUE DRAWING. 1003 00:51:14,288 --> 00:51:16,377 AND I WORK EVERYTHING OUT 1004 00:51:16,421 --> 00:51:19,250 THE WAY I'M GONNA INK IT. 1005 00:51:19,293 --> 00:51:22,992 AND THEN I USE MY LIGHT BOARD 1006 00:51:23,036 --> 00:51:27,693 TO PUT A NICE, CLEAN PIECE OF PAPER ON TOP OF THAT, 1007 00:51:27,736 --> 00:51:30,565 AND I INK IT FROM MY ROUGH TISSUE, 1008 00:51:30,609 --> 00:51:33,699 AND THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I SUBMIT TO HUSTLER. 1009 00:51:33,742 --> 00:51:36,267 AND IF LARRY LIKES IT AND PICKS IT FOR A FULL-PAGE COLOR, 1010 00:51:36,310 --> 00:51:38,225 THEN I DRAW IT AGAIN. 1011 00:51:38,269 --> 00:51:40,009 AND HERE IS THE FINISHED FULL-PAGE COLOR 1012 00:51:40,053 --> 00:51:41,924 OF THAT SAME CARTOON. 1013 00:51:41,968 --> 00:51:43,796 THIS WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES, 1014 00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:46,451 WHERE A GUY'S CLEANING PUBIC HAIR OFF A MEN'S ROOM FLOOR 1015 00:51:46,494 --> 00:51:48,453 AND SEES WHAT HE WILL LOOK LIKE WITH HAIR. 1016 00:51:48,496 --> 00:51:51,282 - I MEAN, YOU GOT TO BE A SICKO 1017 00:51:51,325 --> 00:51:55,808 USING THE AGE-LONG TRADITION 1018 00:51:55,851 --> 00:51:57,810 OF MR. AND MRS. SANTA CLAUS 1019 00:51:57,853 --> 00:52:02,771 AND USING THEM IN THAT TYPE OF... 1020 00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:07,559 CONFRONTATION. 1021 00:52:07,602 --> 00:52:09,387 I THINK IT'S... 1022 00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:11,084 ABSURDLY WRONG. 1023 00:52:11,128 --> 00:52:13,739 - HUSTLERPRIDED ITSELF ON BAD TASTE. 1024 00:52:13,782 --> 00:52:15,741 THAT WAS KIND OF ITS BADGE OF HONOR. 1025 00:52:15,784 --> 00:52:17,612 AND PEOPLE OFTEN SAY TO ME, 1026 00:52:17,656 --> 00:52:20,963 "WASN'T HUSTLER AN EQUAL-OPPORTUNITY OFFENDER? 1027 00:52:21,007 --> 00:52:22,400 YOU KNOW, DIDN'T IT MAKE FUN OF EVERYBODY?" 1028 00:52:22,443 --> 00:52:23,966 THE ANSWER TO THAT, ACTUALLY, IS NO. 1029 00:52:24,010 --> 00:52:25,490 THEY WERE NOT AN EQUAL-OPPORTUNITY OFFENDER. 1030 00:52:25,533 --> 00:52:29,407 THEY KEPT RACISM ALIVE IN THE MAINSTREAM 1031 00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:30,886 IN A WAY THAT-- 1032 00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:33,062 I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER MEDIA GENRE THAT DID THAT. 1033 00:52:33,106 --> 00:52:35,935 - THERE ARE JUST AS MANY JOKES ABOUT WHITES 1034 00:52:35,978 --> 00:52:39,808 AS THERE ARE ABOUT BLACKS, ABOUT EVERYONE. 1035 00:52:39,852 --> 00:52:42,071 ALL THAT GROSS-OUT HUMOR, WEIRD STUFF, 1036 00:52:42,115 --> 00:52:44,596 THAT WAS JUST SORT OF THROWN IN THIS "BITS and PIECES" SECTION. 1037 00:52:55,433 --> 00:52:58,218 "BITS and PIECES" WAS INSPIRED BY HUMOR. 1038 00:52:58,262 --> 00:53:00,873 IT WAS REALLY NATIONAL LAMPOON WITH MORE TITS. 1039 00:53:00,916 --> 00:53:04,529 YOU COULD GET VULGAR AND DISGUSTING AND GROSS. 1040 00:53:04,572 --> 00:53:08,750 - MY FIRST DAY I WAS TAKEN TO DO AN EDITORIAL-CARTOON SHOOT 1041 00:53:08,794 --> 00:53:10,230 IN WHICH THERE WERE TWO GUYS 1042 00:53:10,274 --> 00:53:12,319 WHO WERE ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE AS REAGAN AND KISSINGER 1043 00:53:12,363 --> 00:53:13,886 WEARING SUITS, 1044 00:53:13,929 --> 00:53:16,932 A NUDE MODEL, WHO WAS STANDING ON HER HEAD, 1045 00:53:16,976 --> 00:53:18,543 AND THE KISSINGER AND REAGAN CHARACTERS 1046 00:53:18,586 --> 00:53:19,848 APPEAR TO BE PULLING THEIR FISTS OUT OF THIS CHICK, 1047 00:53:19,892 --> 00:53:23,678 AND THE LINE ON IT WAS, "I DON'T KNOW, HENRY, 1048 00:53:23,722 --> 00:53:25,985 WE KEEP SENDING IN ARMS, AND ALL WE GET BACK IS SHIT." 1049 00:53:26,028 --> 00:53:28,205 SHE HAD "NICARAGUA" OR "EL SALVADOR" 1050 00:53:28,248 --> 00:53:29,249 PAINTED ON HER STOMACH. 1051 00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:30,990 AND... 1052 00:53:31,033 --> 00:53:33,949 THAT WAS MY INTRODUCTION TO WORKING AT HUSTLER. 1053 00:53:33,993 --> 00:53:36,691 - I WOULD GO IN, AND THEY'D GIVE ME IDIOTIC THINGS TO DO, 1054 00:53:36,735 --> 00:53:38,563 AND I WOULD REVEL IN THEM. 1055 00:53:38,606 --> 00:53:41,043 THERE'S ONE WHERE I'M ROLLING A ROLLING PIN ON MY DICK, 1056 00:53:41,087 --> 00:53:42,697 FLATTENING IT OUT. 1057 00:53:42,741 --> 00:53:44,656 I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE PHYSICAL TORTURE TO IT 1058 00:53:44,699 --> 00:53:47,441 BECAUSE I JUST FIGURED NOBODY ELSE WANTED TO DO THAT STUFF. 1059 00:53:47,485 --> 00:53:48,964 - THEY USED TO USE ME A LOT FOR THOSE, 1060 00:53:49,008 --> 00:53:50,270 AND THOSE WERE ALWAYS A LOT OF FUN-- 1061 00:53:50,314 --> 00:53:52,272 SOMETIMES INSULTING, BUT REALLY FUN. 1062 00:53:52,316 --> 00:53:55,884 - I DID ONE CALLED "MARS NEEDS PUSSY," 1063 00:53:55,928 --> 00:53:58,974 WHERE IT WAS ALIENS WHO CAME DOWN IN THE SPACESHIP 1064 00:53:59,018 --> 00:54:01,020 AND GRABBED THIS BLONDE CHICK, 1065 00:54:01,063 --> 00:54:03,631 AND IT TURNED INTO HENTAI TENTACLE PORN, 1066 00:54:03,675 --> 00:54:05,764 FOR THOSE THAT ARE THE UNINITIATED. 1067 00:54:05,807 --> 00:54:08,462 - ONE OF MY MOST CONTROVERSIAL ONES 1068 00:54:08,506 --> 00:54:12,466 IS WHERE I'M FUCKING THE SKULL OF SHAUNA GRANT, 1069 00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:14,163 WHICH WAS SORT OF EERIE. 1070 00:54:14,207 --> 00:54:15,861 - I WOULD COME IN TO ALLAN MACDONELL ON A MONDAY, 1071 00:54:15,904 --> 00:54:17,123 PITCH HIM IDEAS. 1072 00:54:17,166 --> 00:54:19,038 HE WOULD APPROVE THE IDEAS 1073 00:54:19,081 --> 00:54:21,388 OR SAY, "THESE SUCK. GIVE ME SOME NEW ONES." 1074 00:54:21,432 --> 00:54:23,956 THOSE WOULD BE SKETCHED OUT. 1075 00:54:23,999 --> 00:54:26,872 THEN AFTER THAT, I WOULD HAVE A MEETING 1076 00:54:26,915 --> 00:54:28,917 WITH THE TALENT DEPARTMENT WHO WOULD BOOK THE MODELS. 1077 00:54:28,961 --> 00:54:32,094 THEN I WOULD MEET WITH PEOPLE LIKE KENNY DEMARTINES, 1078 00:54:32,138 --> 00:54:35,315 WHO BUILT A LOT OF THE SETS, IN TERMS OF PROPS AND WHATNOT. 1079 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:37,970 - WE MADE A LOT OF SHIT IN DIFFERENT FORMS, 1080 00:54:38,013 --> 00:54:41,974 AND I BECAME KIND OF AN EXPERT AT DOING THAT. 1081 00:54:42,017 --> 00:54:43,454 WE MADE THEM OUT OF CLAY. 1082 00:54:43,497 --> 00:54:45,673 WE MADE THEM OUT OF STYROFOAM. 1083 00:54:45,717 --> 00:54:47,501 WE MADE THEM OUT OF FOAM INSULATION. 1084 00:54:47,545 --> 00:54:50,548 IT ALL DEPENDED ON WHAT THE CONCEPT CALLED FOR. 1085 00:54:50,591 --> 00:54:53,507 THERE WAS MANY TIMES THEY HAD TO FLOAT 1086 00:54:53,551 --> 00:54:54,900 AND LOOK LIKE A SPECIFIC SHAPE 1087 00:54:54,943 --> 00:54:57,598 WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN A TOILET. 1088 00:54:57,642 --> 00:55:00,384 THERE WAS A COUPLE CONCEPTS WHERE THEY WANTED... 1089 00:55:00,427 --> 00:55:01,689 UH... 1090 00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:06,607 SWASTIKAS, CROSSES, STARS 1091 00:55:06,651 --> 00:55:09,001 TO LOOK LIKE EXCREMENT. 1092 00:55:09,044 --> 00:55:12,004 - AT TIMES, I ASPIRED FOR IT TO BE SMART, 1093 00:55:12,047 --> 00:55:15,224 JUST ADDRESS POLITICAL ISSUES AS WELL. 1094 00:55:15,268 --> 00:55:17,879 BUT REALLY, IT JUST CAME DOWN TO, HOW CAN WE SHOEHORN IN 1095 00:55:17,923 --> 00:55:22,580 A NAKED CHICK INTO A PARODY OF EVIL DEADOR SOMETHING? 1096 00:55:37,856 --> 00:55:40,075 - ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE DAY, LARRY CAME IN, 1097 00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:42,034 TOLD US ALL HE WAS BACK. 1098 00:55:42,077 --> 00:55:44,166 AND HE SAID, "THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE NOW, 1099 00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:49,171 "AND THINGS ARE GONNA GO BACK TO THE WAY THEY WERE 1100 00:55:49,215 --> 00:55:50,956 BEFORE HE WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE." 1101 00:55:50,999 --> 00:55:53,437 - HE COMES ROLLING UP TO MY OFFICE, 1102 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,178 AND I'M STANDING IN THE HALLWAY IN FRONT OF MY OFFICE, 1103 00:55:56,222 --> 00:55:58,137 AND HE STOPS, 1104 00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:02,097 AND HE LOOKS UP AT ME, AND HE PUTS HIS HAND OUT, 1105 00:56:02,141 --> 00:56:04,317 AND I SHAKE IT. 1106 00:56:04,361 --> 00:56:07,799 HE GOES, "YOU HOLDING DOWN THE FORT HERE, LONN?" 1107 00:56:07,842 --> 00:56:10,236 I SAID, "YES, SIR." 1108 00:56:10,279 --> 00:56:14,066 "GOOD, 'CAUSE I'M COMING BACK." 1109 00:56:14,109 --> 00:56:17,156 "RIGHT ON. GOOD TO SEE YOU, BOSS." 1110 00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,593 AND HE KEPT ROLLING. 1111 00:56:19,637 --> 00:56:21,421 HE ALWAYS CAME BACK, MAN. 1112 00:56:21,465 --> 00:56:23,380 YOU COULD NOT KEEP THAT MAN DOWN. 1113 00:56:23,423 --> 00:56:26,121 - HE'S HAD A COUPLE DIFFERENT SURGERIES TO LESSEN THE PAIN 1114 00:56:26,165 --> 00:56:28,559 FROM--HE'S GOT BULLET FRAGMENTS IN HIS SPINE. 1115 00:56:28,602 --> 00:56:30,517 AND THIS IS, I BELIEVE, AFTER THE FIRST SURGERY, 1116 00:56:30,561 --> 00:56:33,128 THE FIRST TIME WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HE DIDN'T HAVE 1117 00:56:33,172 --> 00:56:35,653 ALL THIS OVERWHELMING PAIN THAT JUST-- 1118 00:56:35,696 --> 00:56:37,350 THAT WOULD JUST DICTATE, YOU KNOW, 1119 00:56:37,394 --> 00:56:39,134 WHAT HE THOUGHT ABOUT ALL DAY, WHAT HE DID ALL DAY. 1120 00:56:39,178 --> 00:56:42,007 - FROM THEN ON, WE HAD TO KEEP UP WITH HIM. 1121 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:44,313 - THAT RUN IS WHAT LED TO THE NUMEROUS LAWSUITS 1122 00:56:44,357 --> 00:56:48,013 AND THE TANGLEMENT OF LAYERS OF LEGAL PROBLEMS, 1123 00:56:48,056 --> 00:56:50,798 WHICH LED TO HIM GOING-- - HE MADE UP FOR LOST TIME. 1124 00:56:50,842 --> 00:56:55,324 - THE FIRST ISSUES I WAS WORKING ON WERE PROBABLY THE END OF '83, 1125 00:56:55,368 --> 00:56:58,023 AND THEN RIGHT AT THE START OF '84, HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT. 1126 00:56:58,066 --> 00:57:00,112 HE BECAME A VERY HIGH-PROFILE FIGURE. 1127 00:57:00,155 --> 00:57:03,463 - HE WAS ON THE NIGHTLY NEWS. HE WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER. 1128 00:57:03,507 --> 00:57:05,552 ANYTHING THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN AT THE TIME, 1129 00:57:05,596 --> 00:57:07,249 HIS NAME WAS ALWAYS OUT THERE. 1130 00:57:07,293 --> 00:57:09,164 - I HAVE MORE MONEY 1131 00:57:09,208 --> 00:57:11,906 THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES PUT TOGETHER, 1132 00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:14,953 AND I INTEND TO OUTSPEND EVERY ONE OF THEM. 1133 00:57:14,996 --> 00:57:18,130 I AM GOING TO ENTER EVERY SINGLE PRIMARY, 1134 00:57:18,173 --> 00:57:20,915 AND I AM GOING TO WIN EVERY PRIMARY, 1135 00:57:20,959 --> 00:57:25,093 AND I AM GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 1136 00:57:25,137 --> 00:57:26,791 - I MEAN, THE GREATEST ISSUE, I THINK, 1137 00:57:26,834 --> 00:57:28,445 IS THE "LARRY FLYNT FOR PRESIDENT." 1138 00:57:28,488 --> 00:57:29,794 AND IT HAD THE BUMPER STICKER INSIDE OF IT. 1139 00:57:29,837 --> 00:57:32,536 WHERE IT WAS LIKE, THIS GUY HAD THE MONEY 1140 00:57:32,579 --> 00:57:36,540 TO INDULGE HIS WILDEST STUFF IN THE PAGES 1141 00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:39,630 OF THE WILDEST MAGAZINE THAT HAD EVER BEEN PUBLISHED. 1142 00:57:39,673 --> 00:57:41,588 - ARE YOU GONNA PAINT THE WHITE HOUSE BLACK? 1143 00:57:41,632 --> 00:57:43,242 - NO. 1144 00:57:43,285 --> 00:57:45,940 - WILL YOU DECLARE HOMOSEXUALS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES 1145 00:57:45,984 --> 00:57:48,160 BECAUSE OF AIDS? - YES. 1146 00:57:48,203 --> 00:57:49,814 - WILL YOU APPOINT ANDY WARHOL 1147 00:57:49,857 --> 00:57:52,033 AS THE OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE PHOTOGRAPHER? 1148 00:57:52,077 --> 00:57:54,427 - YES. 1149 00:57:54,471 --> 00:57:57,256 AND I'LL PAINT THE WHITE HOUSE PINK... 1150 00:57:57,299 --> 00:57:59,563 BECAUSE PINK IS WHAT PUT ME THERE. 1151 00:58:05,177 --> 00:58:08,136 - OH, NO! 1152 00:58:21,846 --> 00:58:25,327 - NOW I HAD THE PRESSURE OF LARRY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, 1153 00:58:25,371 --> 00:58:27,155 AS WELL AS GETTING THE MAGAZINE OUT. 1154 00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,768 IT WAS A 24-HOUR-A-DAY JOB. IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS EXCITING. 1155 00:58:30,811 --> 00:58:34,336 - WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR? - LARRY FLYNT. 1156 00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:36,208 - WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR LARRY FLYNT? 1157 00:58:36,251 --> 00:58:39,080 - HE AIN'T GOT NO BULLSHIT. HE JUST TELLS YOU THE WAY IT IS. 1158 00:58:39,124 --> 00:58:40,734 - HE WAS RUNNING ON THE REPUBLICAN TICKET 1159 00:58:40,778 --> 00:58:42,475 JUST TO PISS THEM OFF. 1160 00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:46,087 AND RUSSELL MEANS, THE AMERICAN INDIAN ACTIVIST, 1161 00:58:46,131 --> 00:58:47,219 WAS HIS RUNNING MATE. 1162 00:59:51,675 --> 00:59:54,242 - ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES SAID ON THE FLOOR 1163 00:59:54,286 --> 00:59:57,898 THAT NO DECENT MEMBER OF CONGRESS WOULD ACCEPT HUSTLER. 1164 00:59:57,942 --> 01:00:01,075 THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I SENT IT TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. 1165 01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:05,079 YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF LOW-LIFE, INDECENT, PUKE-INFESTED MAGGOTS 1166 01:00:05,123 --> 01:00:06,603 THAT SHOULD BE HOUNDED FROM OFFICE 1167 01:00:06,646 --> 01:00:10,345 FOR BEING POLITICAL, INEPT QUACKS, 1168 01:00:10,389 --> 01:00:13,261 SPELLED Q-U-A-C-K-S. 1169 01:00:13,305 --> 01:00:15,394 FUCK YOU, MOTHERFUCKERS. 1170 01:00:18,745 --> 01:00:23,532 - LARRY HAD INCREDIBLE ACCESS TO PEOPLES' PRIVATE PHONE NUMBERS. 1171 01:00:23,576 --> 01:00:27,493 AND HE MANAGED TO GET NANCY REAGAN'S PERSONAL PHONE. 1172 01:00:27,536 --> 01:00:30,409 WE RAN THAT AS THE PHONE NUMBER IN THAT AD. 1173 01:00:30,452 --> 01:00:31,802 VERY SHORTLY THEREAFTER RECEIVED 1174 01:00:31,845 --> 01:00:33,673 A COMMUNICATION FROM THE WHITE HOUSE 1175 01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:37,329 REQUESTING THAT THAT PHONE NUMBER NO LONGER BE USED. 1176 01:00:37,372 --> 01:00:40,811 JESSE HELMS WAS THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA-- 1177 01:00:40,854 --> 01:00:42,508 RACIST SENATOR. 1178 01:00:42,551 --> 01:00:44,510 LARRY PROVIDED US WITH JESSE HELMS'S HOME PHONE NUMBER 1179 01:00:44,553 --> 01:00:46,381 AND HIS WIFE'S PERSONAL NUMBER, 1180 01:00:46,425 --> 01:00:48,819 AND THE AD SAID SOMETHING LIKE, 1181 01:00:48,862 --> 01:00:50,864 "I LIKE 'EM BIG AND BLACK." 1182 01:00:50,908 --> 01:00:53,693 "CALL ME AT THIS NUMBER, AND IF I'M NOT THERE, 1183 01:00:53,737 --> 01:00:55,390 CALL THIS NUMBER AND ASK FOR MY WIFE." 1184 01:00:55,434 --> 01:00:57,871 TO THIS DAY, THAT'S THE-- 1185 01:00:57,915 --> 01:01:00,265 I THINK MY SINGLE GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT THERE. 1186 01:01:00,308 --> 01:01:02,136 - HE CALLED ME IN HIS OFFICE ONE NIGHT 1187 01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:03,747 WHEN WE WERE WORKING LATE, 1188 01:01:03,790 --> 01:01:05,836 HAD TO BE 7:00, 8:00 AT NIGHT. 1189 01:01:05,879 --> 01:01:08,360 HE SAID, "BILL, BILL, I GOT IT." 1190 01:01:08,403 --> 01:01:10,971 AND HE REACHED UP. "I GOT IT." 1191 01:01:11,015 --> 01:01:12,843 I SAID, "LARRY, WHAT DO YOU HAVE?" 1192 01:01:12,886 --> 01:01:15,367 HE GOES, "JESUS CHRIST. 1193 01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:18,370 I'M GONNA PUT JESUS CHRIST ON THE MASTHEAD." 1194 01:01:18,413 --> 01:01:20,459 I WAS WORRIED HE WOULD END UP GETTING SHOT AGAIN. 1195 01:01:20,502 --> 01:01:22,853 I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. 1196 01:01:22,896 --> 01:01:25,377 AND I MADE A VERY BIG MISTAKE BY GOING TO ALTHEA, 1197 01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:28,249 AND THAT'S THE ONLY TIME HE EVER THREATENED MY JOB. 1198 01:01:28,293 --> 01:01:29,947 HE WAS FURIOUS WITH ME. 1199 01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:32,297 - F.B.I. SURVEILLANCE TAPE SHOWED JOHN DELOREAN 1200 01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:34,473 VIEWING A SUITCASE FULL OF COCAINE, 1201 01:01:34,516 --> 01:01:36,431 THEN TOASTING HIS FUTURE. 1202 01:01:36,475 --> 01:01:39,173 - GOLD WEIGHS MORE THAN THAT, FOR GOD SAKES. 1203 01:01:39,217 --> 01:01:41,436 - MOMENTS LATER, DELOREAN WAS ARRESTED. 1204 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,569 BY LAW, DELOREAN'S DEFENSE TEAM 1205 01:01:43,612 --> 01:01:46,485 HAD TO BE GIVEN COPIES OF THESE TAPES BY PROSECUTORS. 1206 01:01:46,528 --> 01:01:50,358 BUT PUBLISHER LARRY FLYNT ALSO GOT COPIES. 1207 01:01:50,402 --> 01:01:53,492 HE GAVE THEM TO THE MEDIA. BUT WHO GAVE THEM TO FLYNT? 1208 01:01:53,535 --> 01:01:55,407 - I GOT 'EM FROM THE GOVERNMENT. 1209 01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:57,365 WHO ELSE COULD I HAVE GOT 'EM FROM? 1210 01:01:57,409 --> 01:01:59,063 THE GOVERNMENT TAPED 'EM. 1211 01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:01,369 - THE GOVERNMENT SAYS FLYNT IS LYING. 1212 01:02:01,413 --> 01:02:03,328 THE F.B.I. HAS BEGUN AN INVESTIGATION. 1213 01:02:21,999 --> 01:02:24,349 - I WAS SITTING OUTSIDE HIS OFFICE 1214 01:02:24,392 --> 01:02:27,395 WHEN A FELLA THAT LOOKED VERY FAMILIAR DASHED BY ME. 1215 01:02:27,439 --> 01:02:30,529 THEN I WENT INTO LARRY'S OFFICE, AND HE SAID TO ME, 1216 01:02:30,572 --> 01:02:33,140 "YOU KNOW WHO THAT WAS? THAT GUY?" 1217 01:02:33,184 --> 01:02:34,751 AND I GO, "NO." 1218 01:02:34,794 --> 01:02:37,841 "THAT'S DON HEWITT, PRODUCER OF 60 MINUTES. 1219 01:02:37,884 --> 01:02:41,453 "HE'S ALL PISSED OFF 'CAUSE I'M GIVING THE DELOREAN TAPE 1220 01:02:41,496 --> 01:02:45,587 TO THAT HOT BLONDE LAUREL ERICKSON FROM KNBC." 1221 01:02:48,590 --> 01:02:50,288 OH, MY GOD. 1222 01:02:50,331 --> 01:02:51,942 MY MENTOR. 1223 01:02:51,985 --> 01:02:53,726 - SURROUNDED BY ARMED GUARDS, 1224 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:57,077 FLYNT WAS WHEELED OUT TO A NEWS CONFERENCE AT HIS BEL AIR HOME. 1225 01:02:57,121 --> 01:02:59,036 AND HE PLAYED AN AUDIO TAPE RECORDING 1226 01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:01,952 WHICH HE SAYS IS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN DELOREAN 1227 01:03:01,995 --> 01:03:04,476 AND GOVERNMENT INFORMANT JAMES TIMOTHY HOFFMAN. 1228 01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:06,695 THE AUDIO IS POOR QUALITY. 1229 01:03:06,739 --> 01:03:08,393 THE CONVERSATION SUPPOSEDLY TOOK PLACE 1230 01:03:08,436 --> 01:03:11,570 SEPTEMBER 15, 1982. 1231 01:03:24,583 --> 01:03:27,020 EARLIER IN THE TAPE, THE MAN IDENTIFIED AS DELOREAN 1232 01:03:27,064 --> 01:03:30,502 SAYS HE DOES NOT WANT ANY PART OF NARCOTICS. 1233 01:03:30,545 --> 01:03:32,069 FLYNT SAYS HE PAID FOR THE TAPE. 1234 01:03:32,112 --> 01:03:33,418 - WHO WAS YOUR SOURCE FOR THIS TAPE? 1235 01:03:33,461 --> 01:03:35,115 - NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. 1236 01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:36,900 - SOMEBODY ASKED TO HEAR THE TAPE AGAIN, 1237 01:03:36,943 --> 01:03:38,510 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT WAS MISSING. 1238 01:03:38,553 --> 01:03:40,251 AND LARRY'S GOING, 1239 01:03:40,294 --> 01:03:42,035 "YOU MOTHERFUCKERS, YOU TOOK MY TAPE." 1240 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,472 HE WAS SUBPOENAED TO COME TO JUDGE TAKASUGI'S COURT, 1241 01:03:44,516 --> 01:03:46,126 WHERE THE DELOREAN CASE WAS BEING HELD, 1242 01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:47,693 AND PRODUCE THAT AUDIOTAPE. 1243 01:03:47,736 --> 01:03:50,043 - THAT'S WHEN HE CAME TO THE COURTHOUSE 1244 01:03:50,087 --> 01:03:53,307 DRESSED IN THE FLAG WITH THE HELMET ON. 1245 01:03:53,351 --> 01:03:56,441 - THIS IS WHEN THE COURT WAS FINING HIM $10,000 A DAY... 1246 01:03:56,484 --> 01:03:58,051 - YES. 1247 01:03:58,095 --> 01:03:59,661 - 'CAUSE HE WAS IN CONTEMPT OF COURT 1248 01:03:59,705 --> 01:04:01,011 FOR NOT REVEALING HIS SOURCE... - YES. 1249 01:04:01,054 --> 01:04:04,144 - ABOUT THE DELOREAN TAPE? - YES. 1250 01:04:04,188 --> 01:04:06,277 - "I WANT YOU TO GO TO THE BANK 1251 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,628 AND GET THAT $10,000 IN PENNIES." 1252 01:04:09,671 --> 01:04:11,369 "OKAY." 1253 01:04:11,412 --> 01:04:13,327 "AND THEN I WANT YOU TO GET TEN HOOKERS 1254 01:04:13,371 --> 01:04:15,677 "TO DELIVER IT TO THE COURTHOUSE. 1255 01:04:15,721 --> 01:04:17,288 THEY GOT TO BE HOOKERS." 1256 01:04:17,331 --> 01:04:19,203 SOMEONE, LIKE, DEFENDED ME AND SAID, 1257 01:04:19,246 --> 01:04:22,684 "LARRY, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR LONN TO FIND PROSTITUTES." 1258 01:04:22,728 --> 01:04:25,122 "WELL, THEN GET PORN STARS 1259 01:04:25,165 --> 01:04:28,560 "THAT LOOK LIKE HOOKERS. 1260 01:04:28,603 --> 01:04:31,128 "AND THAT'S HOW I WANT THE MONEY DELIVERED. 1261 01:04:31,171 --> 01:04:34,131 CAN YOU DO THAT?" "YES, SIR." 1262 01:04:34,174 --> 01:04:36,568 - THEY LOADED EVERYBODY ON A BUS AND TOOK 'EM DOWN THERE, 1263 01:04:36,611 --> 01:04:38,483 AND THE MONEY WASN'T ACCEPTED. 1264 01:04:38,526 --> 01:04:41,616 AND IT JUST ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE FUEL TO THE FLAME. 1265 01:04:41,660 --> 01:04:43,575 - I'LL BE BACK AS LONG AS I HAVE MONEY, 1266 01:04:43,618 --> 01:04:44,837 AND THEN WHEN I RUN OUT OF MONEY, 1267 01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:46,447 THEY CAN PUT ME IN JAIL. 1268 01:04:46,491 --> 01:04:48,275 AND I'LL STAY THERE TILL I ROT 1269 01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:50,843 OR HELL FREEZES OVER, WHICHEVER HAPPENS FIRST. 1270 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,584 BUT I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY SOURCE. 1271 01:04:52,627 --> 01:04:54,455 - HE WAS HELD IN CONTEMPT. 1272 01:04:54,499 --> 01:04:57,589 THAT'S WHEN THINGS WERE KIND OF BECOMING UNGLUED. 1273 01:04:57,632 --> 01:04:59,678 - HE WOULD BE IN JAIL, 1274 01:04:59,721 --> 01:05:01,898 AND HE'D HAVE PHONE CALLS, AND WE'D GO INTO HIS OFFICE. 1275 01:05:01,941 --> 01:05:03,290 HE'D CALL 'EM "CODE PINKS." 1276 01:05:29,186 --> 01:05:32,754 - HE WAS JUST PILING LAWSUIT ON TOP OF LAWSUIT. 1277 01:05:32,798 --> 01:05:34,017 - AND HE DIDN'T LISTEN TO ANY OF HIS LAWYERS. 1278 01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:16,668 LARRY HAD BALLS, BIG BALLS. 1279 01:06:16,711 --> 01:06:20,019 HE WASN'T AFRAID OF VERY MUCH, EVEN AFTER HE GOT SHOT. 1280 01:06:45,044 --> 01:06:46,828 - LARRY WOULD CURSE AT THESE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES 1281 01:06:46,872 --> 01:06:47,481 AND NOT BACK DOWN. 1282 01:07:04,672 --> 01:07:06,457 I MEAN, THAT'S GUTS. 1283 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:10,330 - I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE SUPREME COURT, 1284 01:07:10,374 --> 01:07:11,636 BUT HE ACTUALLY DID IT 1285 01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:14,247 AND WASN'T PROSECUTED FOR IT. 1286 01:07:14,291 --> 01:07:16,902 HE WAS ORIGINALLY PROSECUTED, AND THEN WE SAID, 1287 01:07:16,945 --> 01:07:19,426 "WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUBPOENA 1288 01:07:19,470 --> 01:07:21,646 ALL THE JUSTICES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH," 1289 01:07:21,689 --> 01:07:24,736 AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, NO MORE CASE. 1290 01:07:24,779 --> 01:07:27,956 - TO SOME, IT'S THE CLASH OF THE TITANS-- 1291 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,784 KING OF SLEAZE LARRY FLYNT 1292 01:07:29,828 --> 01:07:33,049 VERSUS SUPER PREACHER JERRY FALWELL. 1293 01:07:51,850 --> 01:07:55,288 - HE WAS PROFILED AS LOSING HIS VIRGINITY 1294 01:07:55,332 --> 01:07:56,985 WITH HIS MOTHER IN AN OUTHOUSE. 1295 01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:59,118 - WELL, MY LATE MOTHER WAS IN THE AD 1296 01:07:59,162 --> 01:08:00,728 AND GODLIEST SAINT-- 1297 01:08:00,772 --> 01:08:04,123 I DECIDED SOMEBODY NEEDS TO RING THAT FELLA'S BELL, 1298 01:08:04,167 --> 01:08:06,821 AND I THINK I'LL BE THE GUY TO DO IT. 1299 01:08:06,865 --> 01:08:08,606 - HE SUED BECAUSE HIS FEELINGS WERE HURT. 1300 01:08:32,978 --> 01:08:34,849 - LARRY MADE IT POSSIBLE TO INSULT ANYBODY FAMOUS. 1301 01:08:34,893 --> 01:08:36,721 THEY'RE FAIR GAME. 1302 01:08:36,764 --> 01:08:38,810 - I MEAN, THIS WHOLE THING WITH FALWELL--LIKE, YOU KNOW, 1303 01:08:38,853 --> 01:08:40,768 THEY WERE TWO GUYS THAT WERE MAKING MONEY OFF OF EACH OTHER 1304 01:08:40,812 --> 01:08:42,944 BY THREATENING TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. 1305 01:08:42,988 --> 01:08:45,904 BUT I LIKED THAT THAT'S PART OF THE KENTUCKY HUCKSTERISM. 1306 01:08:45,947 --> 01:08:50,082 - HE BECAME FRIENDS WITH MADALYN MURRAY O'HAIR, 1307 01:08:50,126 --> 01:08:53,346 WHO HEADED UP THE ATHEIST MOVEMENT BACK THEN-- 1308 01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:56,088 HER AND HER SON. 1309 01:08:56,132 --> 01:08:59,700 AND LARRY BECAME-- AFTER HIS RELIGIOUS CONVERSION-- 1310 01:08:59,744 --> 01:09:01,398 BECAME AN ATHEIST. 1311 01:09:01,441 --> 01:09:05,184 AND LARRY IS GOING TO PUT 1312 01:09:05,228 --> 01:09:09,014 ALL HIS ASSETS IN MADALYN'S NAME. 1313 01:09:09,057 --> 01:09:11,930 AND I SAID, "HO! NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT," YOU KNOW. 1314 01:10:37,494 --> 01:10:39,060 - I MEAN, LARRY WAS AROUND FOR A-- 1315 01:10:39,104 --> 01:10:41,237 IN AND OUT, FOR A LOT OF IT. 1316 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,065 THERE WERE ONLY CERTAIN ISSUES THAT WERE TOTALLY WITHOUT HIM. 1317 01:10:59,516 --> 01:11:04,303 LARRY SENT OUT PROBABLY HUNDREDS 1318 01:11:04,347 --> 01:11:09,177 OF INVITATIONS FOR CELEBRITIES TO DIRECT THESE SHOOTS. 1319 01:11:09,221 --> 01:11:11,397 AND I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE 1320 01:11:11,441 --> 01:11:13,443 I SPOKE TO WAS DENNIS HOPPER. 1321 01:11:13,486 --> 01:11:17,316 HE DID A TERRIFIC JOB, BUT IT WAS QUITE AN ORDEAL. 1322 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,188 HIS DESIGN WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN ART GALLERY. 1323 01:11:20,232 --> 01:11:22,495 AND THE PAINTINGS THAT WERE ON THE WALL 1324 01:11:22,539 --> 01:11:24,323 WERE HIS PAINTINGS. 1325 01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:27,370 IT WAS A LONG SHOOT BECAUSE HE DISAPPEARED A LOT. 1326 01:11:27,413 --> 01:11:29,894 AND THEN HE'D SHOW BACK UP AGAIN, AND-- 1327 01:11:29,937 --> 01:11:33,332 IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DISJOINTED AT TIMES. 1328 01:11:33,376 --> 01:11:37,118 - DENNIS AND I SEARCHED FOR HIS MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS. 1329 01:11:37,162 --> 01:11:42,036 EVERY NIGHT, HE AND I WENT TO A DOMINATRIX BAR TO FIND 1330 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,735 THE PERFECT DOMINATRIX TO DO THAT SHOOT. 1331 01:11:44,778 --> 01:11:47,346 - TIMOTHY LEARY, DENNIS HOPPER... 1332 01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:49,653 - I'M LOOKING LIKE THE BEE GEES. 1333 01:11:49,696 --> 01:11:52,046 YEAH. 1334 01:11:52,090 --> 01:11:53,613 WHAT'S WITH THE OPEN SHIRT? 1335 01:11:53,657 --> 01:11:55,920 WHAT WAS I FUCKING THINKING? 1336 01:11:55,963 --> 01:11:58,009 - WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU DID BACK THEN. 1337 01:11:58,052 --> 01:11:59,750 - ONE OF MY FAVORITES, BECAUSE HE WAS 1338 01:11:59,793 --> 01:12:02,056 A CHILDHOOD KIND OF IDOL OF MINE, WAS FRANK ZAPPA. 1339 01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:05,146 HE DID A SHOOT THAT WAS ENTITLED THE THING-FISH. 1340 01:12:05,190 --> 01:12:07,148 THERE WAS A LOT OF SPECIAL EFFECTS 1341 01:12:07,192 --> 01:12:08,846 AND PROSTHETICS. 1342 01:12:08,889 --> 01:12:11,936 - AND FRANK ZAPPA WAS GOING OVER BUDGET. 1343 01:12:11,979 --> 01:12:15,461 NOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT LARRY TOLD FRANK ZAPPA 1344 01:12:15,505 --> 01:12:17,681 THAT HE HAD CARTE BLANCHE. 1345 01:12:17,724 --> 01:12:19,552 LARRY TOLD ME TO WATCH THE BUDGET. 1346 01:12:19,596 --> 01:12:23,034 SO I SORT OF BECAME THE BAD GUY IN THAT ONE. 1347 01:12:23,077 --> 01:12:24,470 - AND THE HOURS WERE CRAZY. 1348 01:12:24,514 --> 01:12:26,124 YOUR DAD COST ME MY MARRIAGE. 1349 01:12:26,167 --> 01:12:28,605 YOU WORK 18 HOURS A DAY, SOMETIMES 20. 1350 01:12:28,648 --> 01:12:31,129 AND MY WIFE ASSUMED THAT I WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR. 1351 01:12:31,172 --> 01:12:33,044 AND SINCE I'M COMING HOME AFTER ALL THESE HOURS, 1352 01:12:33,087 --> 01:12:34,959 SHE THOUGHT, "WELL, HE MUST BE FUCKING SOMEONE 1353 01:12:35,002 --> 01:12:36,526 AT WORK OR WHATEVER." 1354 01:12:36,569 --> 01:12:38,528 SO SHE GOT UPSET AND ENDED UP DIVORCING ME. 1355 01:12:38,571 --> 01:12:42,096 - LARRY INVITED AL GOLDSTEIN TO DIRECT HIS SHOOT, 1356 01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:45,535 AN ANTIFEMINIST RANT, AND IT WAS PHENOMENAL. 1357 01:12:45,578 --> 01:12:47,145 - I WOULD FUCK THEM ALL THE TIME. 1358 01:12:47,188 --> 01:12:49,495 I GOT $10,000 TO DO A PHOTO SHOOT. 1359 01:12:49,539 --> 01:12:52,629 BUT AT LEAST I RAISED HELL. 1360 01:12:52,672 --> 01:12:55,675 - I WAS ON THAT FAMOUS MARJOE GORTNER SHOOT 1361 01:12:55,719 --> 01:12:59,113 THAT WAS THE LAST SUPPER. 1362 01:12:59,157 --> 01:13:00,985 - HE HAD A PLEXIGLAS CROSS 1363 01:13:01,028 --> 01:13:04,162 THAT WE ACTUALLY HUNG A MODEL ON. 1364 01:13:04,205 --> 01:13:06,817 YOU COULD PRODUCE SEVERAL VIDEOS TODAY 1365 01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:08,819 WITH THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT ON THESE SHOOTS, 1366 01:13:08,862 --> 01:13:10,429 AND, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T UNCOMMON 1367 01:13:10,473 --> 01:13:14,215 FOR SOME OF THEM TO COST $25,000, ALL TOLD. 1368 01:13:14,259 --> 01:13:16,043 AND IN THE '80s, THAT WAS A LOT OF MONEY 1369 01:13:16,087 --> 01:13:17,610 FOR AN ADULT SHOOT-- 1370 01:13:17,654 --> 01:13:19,656 STILL-PHOTOGRAPHY SHOOT IN A MAGAZINE. 1371 01:13:19,699 --> 01:13:22,180 - LARRY CALLED A CODE PINK. 1372 01:13:22,223 --> 01:13:24,487 AND HE WANTED US TO STOP MAKING THE MAGAZINE. 1373 01:13:24,530 --> 01:13:27,141 EVERYBODY SHOULD GO TO THE FEDERAL BUILDING 1374 01:13:27,185 --> 01:13:30,449 TO PICKET, TO GET HIM OUT OF PRISON. 1375 01:13:30,493 --> 01:13:32,364 AND I OPTED TO GET THE MAGAZINE OUT. 1376 01:13:32,408 --> 01:13:37,282 AND HE HAD SOMEBODY SPYING ON US. 1377 01:13:37,325 --> 01:13:41,199 AND THIS GUY GOT BEAT UP AT THE MANSION. 1378 01:13:41,242 --> 01:13:43,810 THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, LARRY'S ASKING ME 1379 01:13:43,854 --> 01:13:45,333 IF I HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. 1380 01:13:45,377 --> 01:13:48,119 AND I TOLD HIM NO, 1381 01:13:48,162 --> 01:13:49,773 AND THEN HE WANTED ME TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH TEST. 1382 01:14:30,901 --> 01:14:32,816 AND THAT'S HOW I WAS FIRED. 1383 01:14:32,859 --> 01:14:35,906 - THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD SUSTAIN THAT KIND OF CRAZINESS. 1384 01:14:35,949 --> 01:14:38,212 NO ONE COULD WORK LIKE THAT. - NO. NO. 1385 01:14:39,997 --> 01:14:43,000 - GEORGE AND MARTHA WOULD NEVER BELIEVE THIS, 1386 01:14:43,043 --> 01:14:46,656 BUT ALTHEA HAS REFUSED TO BE FIRST LADY. 1387 01:14:46,699 --> 01:14:48,527 SHE SAYS SHE'LL SLEEP WITH ME, 1388 01:14:48,571 --> 01:14:51,225 BUT SHE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS. 1389 01:14:51,269 --> 01:14:54,272 - WE WENT IN HER LIMOUSINE TO THE COMEDY STORE. 1390 01:14:54,315 --> 01:14:56,317 ANDREW DICE CLAY STARTS DOING HIS OLD MATERIAL 1391 01:14:56,361 --> 01:14:57,841 ABOUT GAYS AND H.I.V. 1392 01:14:57,884 --> 01:14:59,407 AND SO ALTHEA WALKED OUT. 1393 01:14:59,451 --> 01:15:01,105 SHE GOES, "YOU KNOW, HE'S INSULTING GAYS. 1394 01:15:01,148 --> 01:15:02,933 "I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS RIGHT NOW. 1395 01:15:02,976 --> 01:15:04,456 HE'S ALSO INSULTING H.I.V. YOU KNOW, I AM H.I.V. POSITIVE." 1396 01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:05,805 THAT'S WHEN SHE FIRST BROKE IT TO ME. 1397 01:15:05,849 --> 01:15:08,068 I'M GOING, "WHAT?" 1398 01:15:08,112 --> 01:15:09,548 IT WAS INCURABLE AT THAT TIME. 1399 01:15:09,592 --> 01:15:11,115 AND IT WAS A GUARANTEED DEATH SENTENCE. 1400 01:15:11,158 --> 01:15:15,336 - AND I ALWAYS CONSIDERED HER A FRIEND ALSO. 1401 01:15:15,380 --> 01:15:17,338 SHE WAS A REAL SWEETHEART. 1402 01:15:17,382 --> 01:15:20,124 - LARRY LOVED HER VERY MUCH. 1403 01:16:00,643 --> 01:16:04,124 - I STARTED WORKING FOR LARRY IN 1991. 1404 01:16:04,168 --> 01:16:07,214 WE WERE MARRIED AT OUR HOME 1405 01:16:07,258 --> 01:16:09,695 IN LOS ANGELES IN '98. 1406 01:16:09,739 --> 01:16:13,699 I ALWAYS STAYED LOYAL TO MY PROFESSION, NURSING, 1407 01:16:13,743 --> 01:16:16,746 AND ALWAYS FELT THAT HE SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST CARE. 1408 01:16:16,789 --> 01:16:19,270 - HE WENT TO DUKE WITH HIS WIFE, LIZ, 1409 01:16:19,313 --> 01:16:21,402 AT THE MEDICAL CENTER THERE. 1410 01:16:21,446 --> 01:16:24,405 AND THEY PERFORMED, LIKE, SOME KIND OF ADVANCED NEUROSURGERY 1411 01:16:24,449 --> 01:16:26,756 AND LIZ WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN THIS WORKING OUT. 1412 01:16:26,799 --> 01:16:29,367 - HE HAD A TOTAL OF FIVE SURGERIES. 1413 01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:32,065 AND THAT'S WHEN HIS HEALTH, YOU KNOW, TURNED, 1414 01:16:32,109 --> 01:16:33,806 AND HE WAS PAIN-FREE. 1415 01:16:33,850 --> 01:16:36,374 - HE CALLED US ALL INTO A ROOM 1416 01:16:36,417 --> 01:16:38,942 AND ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS BACK. 1417 01:16:38,985 --> 01:16:42,119 HE WAS GONNA REALLY KICK THE SUPER NARCOTICS 1418 01:16:42,162 --> 01:16:44,904 THAT HE WAS ON AND TAKE OVER THE COMPANY AGAIN. 1419 01:16:50,257 --> 01:16:53,217 IN THE '90s, THE MAGAZINE WAS LACKING 1420 01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:57,264 IN, YOU KNOW, THAT LARGER-THAN-LUST VIBRANCE 1421 01:16:57,308 --> 01:16:59,440 OF THE PAST. 1422 01:16:59,484 --> 01:17:02,400 BUT ALLAN HAD BEEN PUSHING IT IN AN INTERESTING DIRECTION. 1423 01:17:02,443 --> 01:17:04,228 - SO I BECAME EXECUTIVE EDITOR, 1424 01:17:04,271 --> 01:17:05,925 AND LARRY WAS VERY MUCH IN THE BACKGROUND 1425 01:17:05,969 --> 01:17:07,666 BECAUSE OF THE MEDICATION HE WAS ON. 1426 01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:10,974 - ALLAN WAS HIRING A LOT OF UNDERGROUND PUBLISHERS, 1427 01:17:11,017 --> 01:17:13,150 AND FOR ILLUSTRATORS, HE WAS USING, LIKE, 1428 01:17:13,193 --> 01:17:15,282 ALL THESE GREAT UNDERGROUND CARTOONISTS. 1429 01:17:15,326 --> 01:17:17,197 - I STARTED WORKING AT HUSTLER 1430 01:17:17,241 --> 01:17:19,112 AFTER ALLAN MACDONELL OFFERED ME A JOB 1431 01:17:19,156 --> 01:17:22,638 BASICALLY AFTER READING ISSUES OF FILM THREATMAGAZINE. 1432 01:17:22,681 --> 01:17:24,161 I WOULD SEND HIM ISSUES OF FILM THREAT. 1433 01:17:24,204 --> 01:17:25,902 HE WOULD SEND ME BOXES OF FREE PORN. 1434 01:17:25,945 --> 01:17:27,338 IT WAS A GREAT DEAL. 1435 01:17:27,381 --> 01:17:30,341 - ALLAN, I'LL TELL YOU, WAS A HORRENDOUS BOSS. 1436 01:17:30,384 --> 01:17:31,690 ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS, ONE OF THE WORST PEOPLE 1437 01:17:31,734 --> 01:17:33,649 YOU COULD EVER POSSIBLY WORK FOR. 1438 01:17:33,692 --> 01:17:37,174 AND HE HAS THIS LEGENDARY REPUTATION. 1439 01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:39,263 AND IF THERE WAS AN OBJECT ON HIS DESK, 1440 01:17:39,306 --> 01:17:40,786 IT WAS THROWN AT ME. 1441 01:17:40,830 --> 01:17:42,875 - I COMPLAINED TO HUMAN RESOURCES ABOUT HIM. 1442 01:17:42,919 --> 01:17:44,703 BUT I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE. 1443 01:17:44,747 --> 01:17:46,836 A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINED AT HUMAN RESOURCES ABOUT ALLAN. 1444 01:17:46,879 --> 01:17:48,054 - YEAH, I WANTED THE MAGAZINE TO BE 1445 01:17:48,098 --> 01:17:49,273 AS GOOD AS IT COULD POSSIBLY BE. 1446 01:17:49,316 --> 01:17:51,841 EVEN IF IT WAS JUST A JERK-OFF MAGAZINE. 1447 01:17:51,884 --> 01:17:54,104 - DURING CLINTON'S IMPEACHMENT, 1448 01:17:54,147 --> 01:17:56,715 LARRY HAD HIS INVESTIGATORS DETERMINE 1449 01:17:56,759 --> 01:17:59,892 THAT THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, WHO WAS A CRITIC OF CLINTON, 1450 01:17:59,936 --> 01:18:02,242 WAS HAVING THIS AFFAIR FOR ALL THESE YEARS. 1451 01:18:02,286 --> 01:18:03,940 - HE'S THIRD IN LINE FOR PRESIDENT 1452 01:18:03,983 --> 01:18:05,855 OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, 1453 01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:08,335 AND WE MADE HIM QUIT HIS JOB. 1454 01:18:08,379 --> 01:18:10,468 - OBVIOUSLY THAT HAD A BIG IMPACT 1455 01:18:10,511 --> 01:18:11,774 ON TAKING THE STING 1456 01:18:11,817 --> 01:18:13,863 OUT OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO TO CLINTON. 1457 01:18:47,548 --> 01:18:49,899 - EVERY CONCEIVABLE SEX ACT IS AVAILABLE 1458 01:18:49,942 --> 01:18:51,770 FOR YOU RIGHT NOW FOR FREE 1459 01:18:51,814 --> 01:18:54,555 ANYWHERE YOU ARE, IF YOU HAVE A SMARTPHONE. 1460 01:18:54,599 --> 01:18:56,557 - THE INTERNET, WHICH I ALWAYS PREDICTED 1461 01:18:56,601 --> 01:18:58,124 WAS A BIG PIECE OF SHIT, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO 1462 01:18:58,168 --> 01:18:59,647 IS CAUSING A LOT OF PROBLEMS. 1463 01:18:59,691 --> 01:19:00,736 IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS YOUR FRIEND-- 1464 01:19:00,779 --> 01:19:03,086 VIVID.COM, HUSTLER.COM. 1465 01:19:03,129 --> 01:19:04,783 NOW IT'S THE TOTAL ENEMY OF THE BUSINESS. 1466 01:19:04,827 --> 01:19:07,394 - CAN YOU IMAGINE THE ACT OF MASTURBATING 1467 01:19:07,438 --> 01:19:09,266 TO A STILL PHOTOGRAPH IN A MAGAZINE? 1468 01:19:09,309 --> 01:19:11,094 IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. 1469 01:19:11,137 --> 01:19:12,791 - WE'RE RAISING A GENERATION OF KIDS 1470 01:19:12,835 --> 01:19:15,011 WHO FEEL YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR NUDE PHOTOGRAPHS. 1471 01:19:15,054 --> 01:19:17,796 SO THEY GO, "WHY ARE YOU GONNA NEED TO EVER BUY ANYTHING?" 1472 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,319 - YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY ANYTHING TO JERK OFF 1473 01:19:19,363 --> 01:19:20,843 EXCEPT FOR ONE COMPUTER ONCE. 1474 01:19:20,886 --> 01:19:24,281 SO THAT'S THE END OF PORNO-MAGAZINE PUBLISHING, 1475 01:19:24,324 --> 01:19:27,806 EXCEPT FOR, I THINK, VERY SPECIALIZED MARKETS, 1476 01:19:27,850 --> 01:19:29,677 AND THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO SHRINK. 1477 01:19:29,721 --> 01:19:31,592 AND THAT'S JUST FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE COMPUTERS 1478 01:19:31,636 --> 01:19:34,421 OR ARE TOO OLD OR TOO WEIRD OR HAVE A SPECIAL FETISH 1479 01:19:34,465 --> 01:19:36,032 FOR PAPER OR SOMETHING. 1480 01:19:36,075 --> 01:19:37,555 - THE QUALITY OF JOURNALISM HAS REALLY BEEN HURT 1481 01:19:37,598 --> 01:19:41,167 BY THIS WILD WEST SENSE OF JUST PUT MORE, PUT ANYTHING, 1482 01:19:41,211 --> 01:19:43,430 TRY TO GRAB PEOPLE'S ATTENTIONS. 1483 01:19:43,474 --> 01:19:45,606 IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS. JUST GET CLICKS. 1484 01:19:45,650 --> 01:19:48,000 - IT'S STILL PUBLISHING. YOU STILL HAVE TO WRITE WORDS. 1485 01:19:48,044 --> 01:19:49,741 YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS. 1486 01:19:49,785 --> 01:19:52,265 YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A POINT OF VIEW AND PERSPECTIVE. 1487 01:19:52,309 --> 01:19:56,313 I DON'T THINK THE INTERNET AND iPADS AND ALL THAT STUFF 1488 01:19:56,356 --> 01:19:57,749 IS THE DEATH OF PUBLISHING. 1489 01:19:57,793 --> 01:19:59,446 IN A GIVEN DAY, SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN, 1490 01:19:59,490 --> 01:20:01,405 AND FIVE MINUTES LATER, SOMEONE CAN READ THAT STORY, 1491 01:20:01,448 --> 01:20:03,450 AND IT GETS TWEETED OUT AND SPREAD AROUND, 1492 01:20:03,494 --> 01:20:05,713 AND NEWS TRAVELS FAST. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. 1493 01:20:05,757 --> 01:20:07,759 - THERE WAS A TIME THAT THE MAGAZINES 1494 01:20:07,803 --> 01:20:09,413 WERE ABLE TO PAY YOU SO MUCH MONEY. 1495 01:20:09,456 --> 01:20:12,546 YOU'D BE ABLE TO FLY OUT TO MEXICO, 1496 01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:14,766 AND YOU WOULD SPEND THREE DAYS SHOOTING ONE LAYOUT. 1497 01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:17,769 NOW YOU GOT TO SHOOT, LIKE, FIVE LAYOUTS IN ONE DAY. 1498 01:20:17,813 --> 01:20:19,423 AND THAT WON'T EVEN COVER YOUR PRODUCTION COSTS. 1499 01:20:19,466 --> 01:20:21,251 THEN YOU GOT TO PUT IT ON YOUR WEBSITE. 1500 01:20:21,294 --> 01:20:23,427 THEN YOU GOT TO TRY TO SELL IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO V.O.D., 1501 01:20:23,470 --> 01:20:25,211 AND THEN YOU GOT TO TRY TO SELL IT MAYBE TO MOBILE. 1502 01:20:25,255 --> 01:20:27,561 - IT TURNS OUT EVERYONE ON EARTH IS A PORN STAR. 1503 01:20:27,605 --> 01:20:30,913 EVERYONE POSTS NAKED THINGS OF THEMSELVES ON XTUBE, 1504 01:20:30,956 --> 01:20:33,611 AND SOME OF THEM ARE DAMN GOOD, AND THEY'RE REAL. 1505 01:20:33,654 --> 01:20:35,482 THEY'RE NOT DOING IT FOR THE MONEY. 1506 01:20:35,526 --> 01:20:37,136 THEY'RE DOING IT 'CAUSE THEY REALLY HAVE THIS SEXUAL URGENCY. 1507 01:20:37,180 --> 01:20:38,616 SO THERE'S SOMETHING HOT ABOUT IT 1508 01:20:38,659 --> 01:20:40,966 THAT CAN'T BE RE-CREATED WITH ACTORS 1509 01:20:41,010 --> 01:20:43,229 PRETENDING TO BE INTO EACH OTHER. 1510 01:20:43,273 --> 01:20:44,752 THAT SEEMS VERY OLD SCHOOL NOW. 1511 01:20:44,796 --> 01:20:47,625 - LARRY IS IN THE PART OF THE BUSINESS NOW 1512 01:20:47,668 --> 01:20:49,888 THAT IS SURVIVING 1513 01:20:49,932 --> 01:20:52,499 BECAUSE HE WAS SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW HOW TO DIVERSIFY 1514 01:20:52,543 --> 01:20:55,938 AND TO GO INTO THE AREAS THAT ARE STILL STRONG. 1515 01:20:57,417 --> 01:20:59,550 - GOOD AFTERNOON. LFP. 1516 01:20:59,593 --> 01:21:01,987 - HE'S PRESIDENT 1517 01:21:02,031 --> 01:21:05,556 OF THE LARGEST ADULT-ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY 1518 01:21:05,599 --> 01:21:07,210 IN THE WORLD. 1519 01:21:07,253 --> 01:21:09,821 SO, YEAH, DEFINITELY, BUSINESS IS ALWAYS ON HIS MIND-- 1520 01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:11,605 ALWAYS, 24-7. 1521 01:21:11,649 --> 01:21:14,173 HE'S GOT THE MARKET CORNERED. 1522 01:21:14,217 --> 01:21:17,002 - HE WENT INTO VIDEO, 1523 01:21:17,046 --> 01:21:20,136 AND THEN HE STARTED OPENING UP RETAIL STORES 1524 01:21:20,179 --> 01:21:22,573 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 1525 01:21:22,616 --> 01:21:25,489 IN 2000, HE OPENED UP THE HUSTLER CASINO 1526 01:21:25,532 --> 01:21:27,839 20 MINUTES SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES. 1527 01:21:27,883 --> 01:21:29,493 - THIS IS THE FIRST HUSTLER STORE. 1528 01:21:29,536 --> 01:21:32,975 I BELIEVE THERE ARE 13 NOW THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 1529 01:21:33,018 --> 01:21:34,715 THIS IS THE PREMIER ONE. 1530 01:21:34,759 --> 01:21:37,718 IT'S THE ONE I THINK MR. FLYNT TAKES THE MOST PRIDE IN. 1531 01:21:37,762 --> 01:21:39,459 HE CERTAINLY STOPS BY HERE VERY OFTEN. 1532 01:21:39,503 --> 01:21:41,809 WE DO SIGNINGS FROM A LOT OF THE MAJOR PORN STARS, 1533 01:21:41,853 --> 01:21:44,377 PUTTING THEIR HANDPRINTS IN THE CEMENT OUTSIDE OUR STORE. 1534 01:21:44,421 --> 01:21:46,684 WE'VE GOT SEVERAL DOZEN OF THEM OUT THERE NOW, 1535 01:21:46,727 --> 01:21:49,295 AND THEY JUST KEEP GROWING, YOU KNOW. 1536 01:21:49,339 --> 01:21:50,644 - WORK IT, BABY. PERFECT. 1537 01:21:50,688 --> 01:21:53,125 YES. YES. YES. 1538 01:21:53,169 --> 01:21:55,606 GOOD JOB. 1539 01:21:55,649 --> 01:21:56,824 THERE'S MY BABY. 1540 01:21:56,868 --> 01:21:58,522 THAT'S EXCELLENT. 1541 01:21:58,565 --> 01:22:02,656 - WE'RE AT THE LARRY FLYNT PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO. 1542 01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:05,616 WE SHOOT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON VIDEO, 1543 01:22:05,659 --> 01:22:07,966 ALL OF OUR BIG FEATURES. 1544 01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:09,794 EVEN SOME OF THE SMALLER STUFF THAT YOU'LL CATCH 1545 01:22:09,837 --> 01:22:11,535 ON YOUR MOBILE PHONES. 1546 01:22:11,578 --> 01:22:13,711 A LOT OF THE PHOTOGRAPHY IS DONE HERE, 1547 01:22:13,754 --> 01:22:15,104 AND CERTAINLY EVERYTHING THAT WE SHOOT 1548 01:22:15,147 --> 01:22:17,671 WINDS UP ON HUSTLER TV. 1549 01:22:17,715 --> 01:22:21,893 THE LARGEST, IF NOT NEXT-TO-THE-LARGEST, BROADCASTER 1550 01:22:21,937 --> 01:22:23,982 OF HARD-CORE CONTENT IN THE WORLD. 1551 01:22:24,026 --> 01:22:25,592 - LARRY IS JUST A BUSINESS. 1552 01:22:25,636 --> 01:22:27,203 YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MAYBE HE'S IN THE SEX BUSINESS, 1553 01:22:27,246 --> 01:22:28,595 BUT, REALLY, HE'S IN THE MONEY BUSINESS, AND HE GETS IT. 1554 01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:30,032 YOU KNOW, GUCCIONE DIED PENNILESS. 1555 01:22:30,075 --> 01:22:31,685 HE SPENT IT ALL. 1556 01:22:31,729 --> 01:22:33,949 IT'S A CRAZY RICHES-TO-RAGS STORY, YOU KNOW. 1557 01:22:33,992 --> 01:22:36,516 AND HEFNER'S, LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST FLOATING IN THE AIR, 1558 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,388 YOU KNOW, SORT OF THIS CRAZY, OLD QUEEN LOCKED UP. 1559 01:22:38,431 --> 01:22:41,173 IT'S, LIKE, SUNSET BOULEVARD OR SOMETHING OVER THERE. 1560 01:22:41,217 --> 01:22:42,740 YOU KNOW, AND POOR AL GOLDSTEIN, 1561 01:22:42,783 --> 01:22:45,308 WHO'S SUCH A VISIONARY AND SUCH AN AVATAR, 1562 01:22:45,351 --> 01:22:47,658 YOU KNOW, BUT ALSO A VICTIM OF HIS OWN INSANITY... 1563 01:22:47,701 --> 01:22:51,967 - I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'LL STAY UP TO GO SUCK MY DICK. 1564 01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:53,838 - YOU KNOW, IS IN THIS NURSING HOME. 1565 01:22:53,881 --> 01:22:55,622 BUT LARRY'S GOT A BUILDING ON WILSHIRE FUCKING BOULEVARD 1566 01:22:55,666 --> 01:22:57,798 WITH HIS NAME ON IT STILL. 1567 01:22:57,842 --> 01:22:59,626 HE'S ON TOP OF THE FUCKING WORLD. 1568 01:22:59,670 --> 01:23:01,541 - YOU KNOW, THE '70s AND '80s WAS-- 1569 01:23:01,585 --> 01:23:03,108 IT WAS DIFFERENT. I MEAN, THIS WAS THE ONLY PLACE 1570 01:23:03,152 --> 01:23:04,631 THAT YOU REALLY GOT SLEAZY KIND OF STUFF. 1571 01:23:04,675 --> 01:23:07,895 - GOD, IT'S SO BORING NOW, ALL THOSE FLOPPING VAGINAS, 1572 01:23:07,939 --> 01:23:09,201 BUT... 1573 01:23:09,245 --> 01:23:10,942 AND HOW DO YOU TOP IT? 1574 01:23:10,986 --> 01:23:13,379 I MEAN, IT'S SO NICE 1575 01:23:13,423 --> 01:23:17,601 WHEN THINGS ARE NOT ALLOWED AND THINGS-- 1576 01:23:17,644 --> 01:23:19,385 - NO, BUT THAT'S THE INEVITABLE-- 1577 01:23:19,429 --> 01:23:22,519 - I KNOW, BUT-- - INEVITABLE HISTORY IS FULL-- 1578 01:23:22,562 --> 01:23:25,739 HOW DO YOU HAVE BRINKSMANSHIP? YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A BRINK. 1579 01:23:25,783 --> 01:23:27,045 - WE WERE LUCKY TO BE THERE, 1580 01:23:27,089 --> 01:23:29,656 YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOME TABOOS TO BREAK. 1581 01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:31,832 - THAT'S RIGHT. - WE WERE REALLY LUCKY. 1582 01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:03,125 - I THINK THESE ISSUES ARE ACTUALLY UNDER RECOGNIZED. 1583 01:24:03,168 --> 01:24:04,865 THEY'RE IMPORTANT CULTURAL DOCUMENTS 1584 01:24:04,909 --> 01:24:06,084 OF THE TIME AND A PLACE. 1585 01:24:06,128 --> 01:24:07,607 - THERE WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT 1586 01:24:07,651 --> 01:24:09,479 BETWEEN THE PAGES OF HUSTLER. 1587 01:24:09,522 --> 01:24:11,263 IT WAS A LOT OF UN. 1588 01:24:11,307 --> 01:24:12,743 IT WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE. 1589 01:24:12,786 --> 01:24:16,051 I HAD ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS MORE... 1590 01:24:18,140 --> 01:24:21,273 OF MAGAZINE EXPERIENCE, BUT NOTHING WAS AS EXCITING AS THAT. 1591 01:24:21,317 --> 01:24:23,841 I WAS A KID. I WAS YOUNGER THAN YOU ARE. 1592 01:24:23,884 --> 01:24:25,973 I WAS JUST DOING MY JOB, YOU KNOW, HAVING FUN. 1593 01:24:26,017 --> 01:24:28,454 - IT'S A WRAP. WE'RE GOOD.